[SBU Board] Faux sectionals (e.g., Valentine's weekend) - how to broaden appeal?

Sun Jan 17 13:44:42 PST 2021

Yes, let's figure out an event for I/N players.  Our previous I/N events --
which really were more straight-up-newcomer events -- are a good model.

This is the kind of game that the unit could run on RealBridge if we don't
care about awarding masterpoints.

If we want to award masterpoints, we should get the Unit's VACB credentials
up and running, and run the game ourselves on BBO; we would be required to
charge a game fee of at least $3.00.

--David

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 12:37 PM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:

> I totally agree- no interference with Club games!  That is NOT our goal
> ever, but esp in this environment.  And yeah, let's try to do something for
> I/N, and esp for novices later in the spring.
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> My thinking for the novice crowd is a Friday evening pairs game, aimed at
> those with fewer than, say 10 masterpoints?  We may be able to target these
> folk and then include in the event a zoom meeting that helps them with BBO
> and explains a bit more about IMPs, MPs and the like, tournaments, etc
> etc.  Meet board members, talk about the bridge community, etc.  A virtual
> version of what we did last year in the spring.
> Something for a later discussion for sure.
> Ann
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> On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 10:36 AM JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I think I/N limited games are great ideas for us to consider for our
>> future virtual tournaments, but we are pretty loaded with tasks and
>> logistics for the February event as is. I'd prefer not to add another
>> manually run event to the February weekend plans at this stage.  We are
>> already very tight on having time to promote this, especially for a team
>> game given that players have to find not one but three additional folks to
>> play. If I have to hold publicity much longer so we can settle in on
>> details for an I/N event, I don't think we'll get adequate participation to
>> have made it worthwhile.
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>> I also continue to be concerned about scheduling contingent with club
>> games (which Friday afternoon would be), and I think that needs to be an
>> ongoing consideration with these virtual events. My understanding is that
>> participation in the BBO ACBL club games is dropping nationally though our
>> local clubs have been able to hold relatively steady.  I'd prefer for us to
>> maintain that trend in our area.
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>> As for any other I/N events, I look forward to proposals brought to the
>> board.  Let me know ~1 week before a meeting if you're (general you; any of
>> y'all) bringing a proposal, and I'll make sure it gets on the agenda.
>>
>> JC :)
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>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 6:28 PM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> And, it might make sense to develop a I/N game for Friday nights we
>>> don't do the Homestyle Swiss...to get them interested in playing in a safe
>>> environment....we can start with the folks who play in the limited game.
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>>> I spent 3 hours yesterday helping an 80 year old woman who used to play
>>> f2f bridge at some of the community centers.  She wanted to get onto BBO
>>> (we did not succeed, a long story, basically because she does not have her
>>> email set up and you need email for verification from BBO.  Instead I set
>>> her up on OKBridge for now....  But I know there are others 'out there'
>>> like her, who need help either with the internet or bbo in some why.
>>> Another 80 year old, A player btw, doens't know how to use BBO for a
>>> postmortem.  If she doesn't know, I bet there are a lot of others out there
>>> who don't know how to take advantage of the various systems/tools/ out
>>> there for us to use.  It would pay to offer tutorials or webinars on these
>>> topics, or run articles in the SUN.
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>>> Ann Romeo
>>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
>>> Local home: 206-526-0871
>>> My cell: 425-615-1413 (text ok)
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>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 6:22 PM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> And lots of kids who may be willing to make the jump to tournament
>>>> bridge.  If we pitch it right, an I/N sectional might be VERY popular this
>>>> fall.
>>>> Ann Romeo
>>>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
>>>> Local home: 206-526-0871
>>>> My cell: 425-615-1413 (text ok)
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>>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 6:20 PM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> And Barb Nist's limited Mercer Island games.
>>>>> Ann Romeo
>>>>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
>>>>> Local home: 206-526-0871
>>>>> My cell: 425-615-1413 (text ok)
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>>>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 6:20 PM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We used to have an I/N chair to push these types of things for
>>>>>> newbies thru (I think Susan, me, David D, Patti were on it last).  This is
>>>>>> a really important committee--even more so in Covid times.  There are LOTS
>>>>>> of new players out there--take a look at the MiniMc and the Ace of C for
>>>>>> the unit, folks with 0-300 points....lots of new names, coming up in the
>>>>>> limited games at SBC and ESBC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ann Romeo
>>>>>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
>>>>>> Local home: 206-526-0871
>>>>>> My cell: 425-615-1413 (text ok)
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>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 4:23 PM Susan Cothern <
>>>>>> 4susancothern at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>> I like the idea of a captains game and I think the C players would
>>>>>>> like a chance to play with a more experienced player.  Both of Ann's ideas
>>>>>>> are worth looking at further.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Susan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 4:14 PM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> re newbies...why not have a I/N zoom game, on a Friday, with a zoom
>>>>>>>> meet to start, and offer a pairs game for newbies.
>>>>>>>> Of course, we can always do a captains pairs where we team an
>>>>>>>> experienced player with a newbie, but that is really a different type of
>>>>>>>> game and player.
>>>>>>>> Ann Romeo
>>>>>>>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> Local home: 206-526-0871
>>>>>>>> My cell: 425-615-1413 (text ok)
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>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 11:28 AM Susan Cothern <
>>>>>>>> 4susancothern at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> I think what we have in place or are planning to put in place for
>>>>>>>>> the Jabon and Microsoft trophies is fine.  We need to focus on
>>>>>>>>> events for the C players and newcomers so that they will feel welcome and
>>>>>>>>> that their level players are important to the unit also.  Not that I am
>>>>>>>>> saying the unit does not feel they are important but I am not sure the C
>>>>>>>>> players know that the unit board takes them in to consideration and is
>>>>>>>>> trying to come up with events and or ways to get them more involved.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Susan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:33 AM JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FWIW, the Microsoft and Jabon trophies literally come with
>>>>>>>>>> nothing other than the recognition. You don't even get to keep the trophy.
>>>>>>>>>> :)  Once you establish a prize, it's hard to take it away later without
>>>>>>>>>> generating disappointment.  Plus, BBO still has no process to gift BBO$,
>>>>>>>>>> nor can our clubs grant free entries through BBO right now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regarding youth awards, to keep this manageable, we need it to be
>>>>>>>>>> based on information we can easily retrieve.  I considered whether we could
>>>>>>>>>> use the membership type to isolate youth members, but the problem is that
>>>>>>>>>> youth members who are part of their family's membership show up under
>>>>>>>>>> family membership types, not youth. (I verified this on our current
>>>>>>>>>> roster.)  I trust that the ACBL has good reason for not providing DOB to
>>>>>>>>>> units, and I can hypothesize several reasons why it might be that way that
>>>>>>>>>> are not worth challenging right now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If the youth bridge program(s) wanted to track points for their
>>>>>>>>>> participants (i.e., not the whole unit but only kids they have a
>>>>>>>>>> relationship with) and do a "points race" award accordingly, I think that
>>>>>>>>>> would be a good substitute since we can't do a youth race at the unit
>>>>>>>>>> level. Possible idea for our youth liaisons...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --JC
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>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 11:25 PM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to check to see if we can actually give away
>>>>>>>>>>> 'money'--make sure it is ok with our state charter and ACBL?
>>>>>>>>>>> And love the idea of a kid's trophy of some sort.  I know that
>>>>>>>>>>> for kids, they have to give their DOB to get their ACBL number, so
>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere this is tracked.
>>>>>>>>>>> Love the idea of a flight A/B/C (or some such breakout).
>>>>>>>>>>> Ann Romeo
>>>>>>>>>>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Local home: 206-526-0871
>>>>>>>>>>> My cell: 425-615-1413 (text ok)
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 11:15 PM Thomas via Sbuboard <
>>>>>>>>>>> sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a great idea, JC.  We could put some money in the winners'
>>>>>>>>>>>> BBO accounts.  Divide $446 by 4 or give each winner $44.60    We're pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>> flush, according to Tom B.
>>>>>>>>>>>> TL
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Seattle ACBL Unit Board <sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, Jan 11, 2021 8:28 am
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [SBU Board] Faux sectionals (e.g., Valentine's
>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend) - how to broaden appeal?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As I was putting together the publicity for the "faux
>>>>>>>>>>>> sectional" we voted on last meeting for Valentine's weekend, I was thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>> that one issue here is that unless you're going for the Jabon trophy (0-20)
>>>>>>>>>>>> or Microsoft trophy (top 5% of area players), this event series isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> offering much for you.  At our normal sectionals, we do a lot to make sure
>>>>>>>>>>>> that there's things for I/N and for mid-level players via stratification
>>>>>>>>>>>> and flighting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any ideas or thoughts or how we could make
>>>>>>>>>>>> this interesting or engaging for the broader group of players?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One idea Scott & I were tossing around last night was to create
>>>>>>>>>>>> some "trophy points" races for mid-level and novice players, even though
>>>>>>>>>>>> there's no actual trophy for those groups.  We could use the
>>>>>>>>>>>> GNT flighting/brackets (to avoid any implication that we picked to include
>>>>>>>>>>>> or exclude ourselves in various brackets):
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    - 0-500
>>>>>>>>>>>>    - 0-2500
>>>>>>>>>>>>    - 0-6000
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So basically, we'd have 5 points races this year. Jabon would
>>>>>>>>>>>> be if you start the year with 0-20. The three above would be for B/C/D.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then there's the "open" award which is the Microsoft trophy.  And in any
>>>>>>>>>>>> race, you can win the race above your level, just like when you stratify an
>>>>>>>>>>>> event.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd say we could also establish a youth award, except that the
>>>>>>>>>>>> ACBL rosters don't give us ages, so I can't easily determine who qualifies
>>>>>>>>>>>> for that. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> JC
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> JC Chupack (she/her)
>>>>>>>>>>>> * Seattle ACBL Unit 446 <http://www.bridgeinseattle.org/> President,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Web/Email Admin, & Publicity Chair
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>>>>>>>>>> * Seattle ACBL Unit 446 <http://www.bridgeinseattle.org> President,
>>>>>>>>>> Web/Email Admin, & Publicity Chair
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