[SBU Board] Revised Harvest Sectional flyer - for board review ASAP

Wed Jun 5 11:31:28 PDT 2019

The Qualifier is a 2 session event that is paid for as a s 2 session
event.  The second session  that 2 session eventis a  final and a
consolation.  The consolation is open for new entries and run as a one
session event. But when you buy the entry at the beginning of the day you
are buying for two sessions unless you specifically state at that point
that you are buying for one. .  That is the event type that has always been
run at our fall sectional.  Mike is , as I stated previously, one hundred
percent correct about that.  That's the event we voted on at the meeting
and that is how it should be described on the flyer.  It would seriously
against our interests to allow people to buy one session and then not play
in the evening because they didn't qualify for the final.  Plus this would
be much harder on the directors.

Can we please just get the flyer printed to publish the event that we voted
to run?  I'm sorry if what was voted  on was not clear.  But I don't think
that's generally the case.

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 11:17 AM Mike Christensen <quirk_1 at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Event descriptions in the flyers suggest that it is a 2 session event that
> includes entry into the consolation pairs for those that did not qualify.
>
> Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall buying a 2nd entry in
> previous years.  I want to recreate the previous event.  I don't want to
> legislate new conditions of contest over email.
>
> 2017(essentially same as 2016)
> FEATURED EVENT: TWO SESSION OPEN PAIRS!
> In this event type, after the first session, about half
> of the field qualifies for a final session, which is
> scored with a carryover from the first session. If you
> don’t qualify (or prefer a single session event), the
> evening session has a consolation pairs available.
>
> And from 2015
> Saturday Open Pairs (Qualifying/Final) and Consolation Pairs This event is
> open (as opposed to stratified).
> After the first session, about half of the field qualifies for the final
> session, which is scored with carryover (max of two boards) from the first
> session. The pairs that do not qualify, and anyone else who wants to play a
> single session event, play in the consolation pairs in the evening. There
> is no carryover to the consolation pairs.
>
>
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 5, 2019 10:33 AM
> *To:* Seattle ACBL Unit Board
> *Subject:* Re: [SBU Board] Revised Harvest Sectional flyer - for board
> review ASAP
>
> If we are forcing people to pay for 2-sessions even though ~half of them
> won't get to play a true 2-session event, I'm strongly opposed to this
> event format. But, I don't think that's the case. For NABC events that have
> qualifiers, you don't have to pay for the whole event to play the first
> day...you buy a new entry if you qualify (just like a KO round), so I have
> trouble believing that is the structure being applied at a sectional.
>
> For what it's worth, I looked back to 2015, 2016, and 2017 flyers. We've
> never treated the qual/final/consolation as a 2-session event on the
> flyers. The consolation was noted as a single session event.
>
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 10:09 AM Mike Christensen <quirk_1 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe we have always purchased a 2
> session entry at the time of purchase for the qualifying pairs.
>
>
>
> I believe that if you wish to be eligible for the 2nd session of a 2
> session event, you have to purchase a 2 session entry at the time of
> purchase.  The consolation pairs is not a separate event.  It is for those
> that purchased a 2 session entry and did not qualify.
>
>
>
> You can decline to play in the 2nd session, qualified or not, doesn’t
> matter, inform the director and they will make adjustments as needed, but
> you do not get your money back(same as a normal 2 session pairs event) and
> you certainly do not get to make that decision after you did or did not
> qualify.
>
>
>
> You can purchase a single session entry at the time of purchase, but you
> do not get to play in the finals, regardless if you qualified and change
> your mind.  You can buy into the consolation pairs if you want, as can
> anyone.
>
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> *Subject:* Re: [SBU Board] Revised Harvest Sectional flyer - for board
> review ASAP
>
> Carryover noted. I had missed that on the prior events and will correct to:
> (About half the field will qualify, up to two board carry-over)
>
> The Consolation pairs is a separate single session event. I'm *not *okay
> changing the wording on that.  Open pairs participants are not required to
> play in, nor pay for, the consolation pairs if they fail to qualify. (I'm
> not sure forcing them to enter it is even an option allowed by the event
> type.)
>
> I'd like to hear opinions on Monty's suggestion re: changing the title of
> the Swiss?  I'm okay with whatever change we make to the title...I'm all
> for making as low-confusion as possible.
>
> JC
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 8:16 PM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> yes the consolation game is stratified.
> Ann Romeo
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> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 6:00 PM Raymond Miller <raysmiller at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Agree with Mike
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019, 5:11 PM Mike Christensen <quirk_1 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Qualifying pairs traditionally has a 2 board carry over.
>
> Evidence
> http://live.acbl.org/event/1710186/2801/2/recap
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> Also, the director will often qualify enough pairs to get to a good
> movement, which is generally more but can occasionally be slightly less
> than half the field.
>
>
>
> Suggest changing
> Open Pairs Qualifier (50% of the field will qualify for the finals, no
> carry-over)
> to
> Open Pairs Qualifier (About half the field will qualify for the finals,
> two board carry-over)
>
> And to emphasis that the consolation pairs entry is included with the
> qualification pairs buy in
>
> Stratified Consolation Pairs (single session)
> to
> Stratified Consolation Pairs (single session buy in ok)
>
>
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 4:55 PM
> *To:* Seattle ACBL Unit Board
> *Subject:* [SBU Board] Revised Harvest Sectional flyer - for board review
> ASAP
>
> *Mike & Monty* - please check closely & let me know if you would like any
> changes. *(Monty confirmed he had volunteered as Lane's replacement for
> this one. Thanks, Monty!)*
>
> *All board members* - please help double-check for typos.
>
> *Note to all* - I called Sunday's event a "Stratified Matchpoint (BAM)
> Swiss" instead of just calling it a BAM Swiss, to try to reduce confusion
> with the less-popular BAM Teams event, per someone's (not sure who?
> apologies for lack of credit) suggestion from last night. I have no idea if
> the ACBL will be okay with that wording or not, but we'll see after we
> submit. From some casual chat with TDs, it seems like it should be okay.
>
> *Please review ASAP. Barring any responses telling me otherwise, I will
> submit to the ACBL tomorrow evening.*
>
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