[SBU Board] Revised Harvest Sectional flyer - for board review ASAP

Wed Jun 5 11:18:04 PDT 2019

I like the wording from the 2015 flyer...
Ann Romeo
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On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 11:17 AM Mike Christensen <quirk_1 at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Event descriptions in the flyers suggest that it is a 2 session event that
> includes entry into the consolation pairs for those that did not qualify.
>
> Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall buying a 2nd entry in
> previous years.  I want to recreate the previous event.  I don't want to
> legislate new conditions of contest over email.
>
> 2017(essentially same as 2016)
> FEATURED EVENT: TWO SESSION OPEN PAIRS!
> In this event type, after the first session, about half
> of the field qualifies for a final session, which is
> scored with a carryover from the first session. If you
> don’t qualify (or prefer a single session event), the
> evening session has a consolation pairs available.
>
> And from 2015
> Saturday Open Pairs (Qualifying/Final) and Consolation Pairs This event is
> open (as opposed to stratified).
> After the first session, about half of the field qualifies for the final
> session, which is scored with carryover (max of two boards) from the first
> session. The pairs that do not qualify, and anyone else who wants to play a
> single session event, play in the consolation pairs in the evening. There
> is no carryover to the consolation pairs.
>
>
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> *To:* Seattle ACBL Unit Board
> *Subject:* Re: [SBU Board] Revised Harvest Sectional flyer - for board
> review ASAP
>
> If we are forcing people to pay for 2-sessions even though ~half of them
> won't get to play a true 2-session event, I'm strongly opposed to this
> event format. But, I don't think that's the case. For NABC events that have
> qualifiers, you don't have to pay for the whole event to play the first
> day...you buy a new entry if you qualify (just like a KO round), so I have
> trouble believing that is the structure being applied at a sectional.
>
> For what it's worth, I looked back to 2015, 2016, and 2017 flyers. We've
> never treated the qual/final/consolation as a 2-session event on the
> flyers. The consolation was noted as a single session event.
>
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 10:09 AM Mike Christensen <quirk_1 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe we have always purchased a 2
> session entry at the time of purchase for the qualifying pairs.
>
>
>
> I believe that if you wish to be eligible for the 2nd session of a 2
> session event, you have to purchase a 2 session entry at the time of
> purchase.  The consolation pairs is not a separate event.  It is for those
> that purchased a 2 session entry and did not qualify.
>
>
>
> You can decline to play in the 2nd session, qualified or not, doesn’t
> matter, inform the director and they will make adjustments as needed, but
> you do not get your money back(same as a normal 2 session pairs event) and
> you certainly do not get to make that decision after you did or did not
> qualify.
>
>
>
> You can purchase a single session entry at the time of purchase, but you
> do not get to play in the finals, regardless if you qualified and change
> your mind.  You can buy into the consolation pairs if you want, as can
> anyone.
>
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> *Subject:* Re: [SBU Board] Revised Harvest Sectional flyer - for board
> review ASAP
>
> Carryover noted. I had missed that on the prior events and will correct to:
> (About half the field will qualify, up to two board carry-over)
>
> The Consolation pairs is a separate single session event. I'm *not *okay
> changing the wording on that.  Open pairs participants are not required to
> play in, nor pay for, the consolation pairs if they fail to qualify. (I'm
> not sure forcing them to enter it is even an option allowed by the event
> type.)
>
> I'd like to hear opinions on Monty's suggestion re: changing the title of
> the Swiss?  I'm okay with whatever change we make to the title...I'm all
> for making as low-confusion as possible.
>
> JC
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 8:16 PM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> yes the consolation game is stratified.
> Ann Romeo
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> Local home: 206-526-0871
> Work email: Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com
> Work direct dial: 212-463-6331
> My cell: 425-615-1413 (text ok)
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>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 6:00 PM Raymond Miller <raysmiller at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Agree with Mike
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019, 5:11 PM Mike Christensen <quirk_1 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Qualifying pairs traditionally has a 2 board carry over.
>
> Evidence
> http://live.acbl.org/event/1710186/2801/2/recap
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> Also, the director will often qualify enough pairs to get to a good
> movement, which is generally more but can occasionally be slightly less
> than half the field.
>
>
>
> Suggest changing
> Open Pairs Qualifier (50% of the field will qualify for the finals, no
> carry-over)
> to
> Open Pairs Qualifier (About half the field will qualify for the finals,
> two board carry-over)
>
> And to emphasis that the consolation pairs entry is included with the
> qualification pairs buy in
>
> Stratified Consolation Pairs (single session)
> to
> Stratified Consolation Pairs (single session buy in ok)
>
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 4:55 PM
> *To:* Seattle ACBL Unit Board
> *Subject:* [SBU Board] Revised Harvest Sectional flyer - for board review
> ASAP
>
> *Mike & Monty* - please check closely & let me know if you would like any
> changes. *(Monty confirmed he had volunteered as Lane's replacement for
> this one. Thanks, Monty!)*
>
> *All board members* - please help double-check for typos.
>
> *Note to all* - I called Sunday's event a "Stratified Matchpoint (BAM)
> Swiss" instead of just calling it a BAM Swiss, to try to reduce confusion
> with the less-popular BAM Teams event, per someone's (not sure who?
> apologies for lack of credit) suggestion from last night. I have no idea if
> the ACBL will be okay with that wording or not, but we'll see after we
> submit. From some casual chat with TDs, it seems like it should be okay.
>
> *Please review ASAP. Barring any responses telling me otherwise, I will
> submit to the ACBL tomorrow evening.*
>
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