[SBU Board] Fwd: Attendance on Sunday

Thu Mar 8 14:10:25 PST 2018

As Eric has noted, the D19 GNT Finals (A and C) are 14-15 April in Vancouver, which leaves me out.  Although I cannot make it on April 2 as I have a D19 board meeting in Burnaby that day, I do not plan to remain up at the Burnaby Regional the entirety of that week.  I could be back in Seattle for a U446 board meeting in the April 4th to 8th time frame.  Renae and I will be out of town April 17 - May 6 inclusive.

Tim

On Mar 8, 2018, at 11:35 AM, Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:

> And, as recently as 5 years ago, the Sweetheart at Vasa was a big tournament.  And in spite of the neg comments, I hear positive comments, too, about the venue.  Again. someone I was eating dinner last night thought the venue was greatly improved, and she likes playing there...
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> As a group, we kicked around a few ideas at our Feb meeting that might help the next time we are at Vasa (or really, any other sectional).  One idea to expand on would be to create a larger handicapped area for parking. I was thinking we might be able to  promote/reserve the asphalted space for car pools and senior citizens.  Ray's eyes lit up with the idea of inviting less experienced players to join A players for a meal (and beers?) and postmortems between sessions.  The offering of hand analysis a half hour before the next session also has merit--as Monty pointed out, people may not want to play in sectionals, but they do want to improve their game, and we need to think of ways to help players see how playing in sectionals will improve their game!  
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> I think this is a great topic to expand on at our April meeting.
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> Looking ahead in April, some of us will not be able to make it on the 2nd (Tim, John, and actually I will be out).   We are scheduled to meet in Seattle, at the offices of Davis, Wright (thanks, Monty)....but I wonder if we might want to consider moving the meeting to later in the month, perhaps on a Sunday, and at a location that might allow up to start a little earlier, so that we can do some real planning--  My question for you:  would you be up for/available for a meeting on, say, Sunday April 15? Perhaps starting at 11, with maybe light lunch (thinking pizza or such), where we would have our usual meeting and allow for some subcommittee planning?
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> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:44 PM, Tim White <trkwhite at gmail.com> wrote:
> Kicking these things around is helpful.  Inevitably there are as many views as players.  I acknowledge on this particular one I come from having regrettably been absent from both the tournament and Monday evening's post mortem.  A couple of thoughts come to mind for context:
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> (1)  One of the things I've enjoyed about my time on the unit board has been its willingness to try out new things.  Some work better than others, but we learn from each.  Vasa last month was different in several respects and as much as we might like to think sorting out of causes & effects to be science, it is also art and in the end there's a fair measure of uncertainty.  We can't become entrapped in trying to please everyone -- we do the best we can.
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> (2)  As unappealing as some find Vasa, it has long had a role as one of our sites and a continuing role is not unlikely.   As recently as 2013, three of our four open sectionals were at Vasa.  Vasa remains the only site we can count on for the Sweetheart.  We have searched for an alternative Sweetheart site and had North Seattle College lined up for February 2017, but that fell through.  Miraculously, Bothell saved us by committing much earlier than they normally can for the 2017 Sweetheart -- otherwise that tournament would most likely have been canceled.  Susan Cothern found Bothell some years ago and it has become a mainstay.  It is ideal for the KO and has worked well for other tournaments.  It is normally unworkable for the Sweetheart because IUOE 302 cannot commit to dates with the lead time we need.  The upshot is that going forward we presently have no suitable, affordable, available alternative to Vasa for the Sweetheart.  Let's make the best of Vasa we can, because until we find an additional site workable for February we are likely going to Vasa for the foreseeable.
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> On Mar 8, 2018, at 9:28 AM, JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I admit that I don't understand how anyone able-bodied could say they had trouble finding/getting lunch for Vasa Park.  (I did understand that concern for Forest Ridge, just because the neighborhood there is so slow to go in/out.) There are restaurants, including counter service, fast food, and sit-down, within 5-7 minutes drive (under 2 miles) of Vasa Park. Restaurants include Subway, Teriyaki, Outback, Jack in the Box, McDonald's, Dairy Queen, McDonald's, Pizza Hut, Bombay House (Indian), and Southgate Garden (Korean).  There's a few more spots that I haven't seen personally, too. And the roads to/from are fast and easy to drive.
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>> The comments about mealtime being short I can sort of understand, for folks who really strongly want to be able to have a sit-down meal vs. something counter-service or fast food. (And I can see both sides of whether having time for a sit-down dinner is a thing that should be expected on a daylight schedule.)  
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>> Is there something I'm missing about Vasa Park w.r.t. getting food?  I played on Saturday & Sunday, and our group had no trouble not only having lunch but doing a full postmortem while at lunch on both days.  Even if I were someone that needed extra time to get in/out of my car, you could get a meal equivalent or better than what we'd be able to provide in the allotted time. 
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>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> man, see what happens when I type on my phone....
>> I had dinner with Jeff the other night, and he made the observation that a meal should probably be served at Vasa specifically.  Something to keep in mind.
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>> From: annromeo <annromeo at gmail.com>
>> Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 7:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SBU Board] Attendance on Sunday
>> To: Seattle ACBL Unit Board <sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com>
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>> Hefg also made a goid point at dinner ladt night.  We really shoukd hsve lunch on site at that particular venue...pizza or sandwiches.  It will make swiss much smoother and faster.  If I don't play...doable at reasonable cost.  
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>> From: JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com>
>> Date: 3/7/18 2:56 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: Seattle ACBL Unit Board <sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SBU Board] Attendance on Sunday
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>> FWIW, I did think of another hypothesis for why we saw the biggest drop-off for the Swiss.  What if people honestly gave Vasa Park another try because we noted it was remodeled, so they came out on Friday and/or Saturday, saw that it was still flawed in whatever way they particularly hate, and so blew off Saturday and/or Sunday, leading to a decline over the weekend as more folks decided it still wasn't meeting their expectations?
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>> That is something that we'll get from the survey, though.  I have no doubt the vocal anti-Vasa folks will let us know if they were disappointed with what they saw. :)
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>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 5:51 PM, JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com> wrote:
>> FWIW, we did discuss that specifically on Monday night.  The most compelling reason to not do pairs & teams on that day is that whenever you have a pairs event with a team event and don't have separate rooms, the pairs event suffers noisiness when the teams are getting assignments and re-locating.  Running pairs along with the teams happens a lot at NABCs and Regionals because they typically have the space to provide separation.
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>> I'd also note that the event format itself didn't change year-over-year (YoY), nor was there any indication that it changed YoY. So, even though we all have heard feedback about reasons folks don't go to Swiss, I'd have trouble believing that the YoY drop-off is due to Swiss itself.  It could be a factor, though, if the decision tree when some other big factor is at play (like weather or location), means that folks who aren't fond of our Swiss teams events anyways stay home. (i.e., "I am willing to deal with [Vasa Park, snow, etc.] for pairs because I like pairs games, but I'm not willing to deal with it for Swiss because I don't like that format.")
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>> I'll do my best to address this somehow in the survey, but it can be very tough to tease out when a number of factors could be at play.
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>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 5:18 PM, LARRY HOLDREN <larryholdren at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Hi all:
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>> When I got home Monday night, M asked about the meeting.  I told her that one of our concerns was the poor turn out Sunday at Vasa Park.  Her reaction was something like “no wonder, all you had was Swiss teams.”
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>> Maybe there is a point there.  Perhaps one or two limited pairs games and an open Swiss???
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>> Could a question on this subject be added to the planned survey?
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