[SBU Board] Fwd: Attendance on Sunday
Eric Sieg
easieg at gmail.com
Thu Mar 8 12:33:23 PST 2018
For the specific question of Apr 15:
That's during GNT As, so presumably some of us will be in Vancouver that
weekend.
If wanting to do it on a weekend, I could do the 8th.
Eric
Ann Romeo wrote:
> And, as recently as 5 years ago, the Sweetheart at Vasa was a big
> tournament. And in spite of the neg comments, I hear positive
> comments, too, about the venue. Again. someone I was eating dinner
> last night thought the venue was greatly improved, and she likes
> playing there...
>
> As a group, we kicked around a few ideas at our Feb meeting that might
> help the next time we are at Vasa (or really, any other sectional).
> One idea to expand on would be to create a larger handicapped area for
> parking. I was thinking we might be able to promote/reserve the
> asphalted space for car pools and senior citizens. Ray's eyes lit up
> with the idea of inviting less experienced players to join A players
> for a meal (and beers?) and postmortems between sessions. The
> offering of hand analysis a half hour before the next session also has
> merit--as Monty pointed out, people may not want to play in
> sectionals, but they do want to improve their game, and we need to
> think of ways to help players see how playing in sectionals will
> improve their game!
>
> I think this is a great topic to expand on at our April meeting.
>
> Looking ahead in April, some of us will not be able to make it on the
> 2nd (Tim, John, and actually I will be out). We are scheduled to
> meet in Seattle, at the offices of Davis, Wright (thanks,
> Monty)....but I wonder if we might want to consider moving the meeting
> to later in the month, perhaps on a Sunday, and at a location that
> might allow up to start a little earlier, so that we can do some real
> planning-- My question for you: would you be up for/available for a
> meeting on, say, Sunday April 15? Perhaps starting at 11, with maybe
> light lunch (thinking pizza or such), where we would have our usual
> meeting and allow for some subcommittee planning?
> thoughts?
>
> Ann
>
>
>
>
>
> Ann Romeo
> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com <mailto:annromeo at gmail.com>
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> Work email: Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com
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> Work direct dial: 212-463-6331
> My cell: 425-615-1413 (text ok)
>
> //**
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:44 PM, Tim White <trkwhite at gmail.com
> <mailto:trkwhite at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Kicking these things around is helpful. Inevitably there are as
> many views as players. I acknowledge on this particular one I
> come from having regrettably been absent from both the tournament
> and Monday evening's post mortem. A couple of thoughts come to
> mind for context:
>
> (1) One of the things I've enjoyed about my time on the unit
> board has been its willingness to try out new things. Some work
> better than others, but we learn from each. Vasa last month was
> different in several respects and as much as we might like to
> think sorting out of causes & effects to be science, it is also
> art and in the end there's a fair measure of uncertainty. We
> can't become entrapped in trying to please everyone -- we do the
> best we can.
>
> (2) As unappealing as some find Vasa, it has long had a role as
> one of our sites and a continuing role is not unlikely. As
> recently as 2013, three of our four open sectionals were at Vasa.
> Vasa remains the only site we can count on for the Sweetheart. We
> have searched for an alternative Sweetheart site and had North
> Seattle College lined up for February 2017, but that fell
> through. Miraculously, Bothell saved us by committing much
> earlier than they normally can for the 2017 Sweetheart --
> otherwise that tournament would most likely have been canceled.
> Susan Cothern found Bothell some years ago and it has become a
> mainstay. It is ideal for the KO and has worked well for other
> tournaments. It is normally unworkable for the Sweetheart because
> IUOE 302 cannot commit to dates with the lead time we need. The
> upshot is that going forward we presently have no suitable,
> affordable, available alternative to Vasa for the Sweetheart.
> Let's make the best of Vasa we can, because until we find an
> additional site workable for February we are likely going to Vasa
> for the foreseeable.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2018, at 9:28 AM, JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com
> <mailto:jc.chupack at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> I admit that I don't understand how anyone able-bodied could say
>> they had trouble finding/getting lunch for Vasa Park. (I did
>> understand that concern for Forest Ridge, just because the
>> neighborhood there is so slow to go in/out.) There are
>> restaurants, including counter service, fast food, and sit-down,
>> within 5-7 minutes drive (under 2 miles) of Vasa Park.
>> Restaurants include Subway, Teriyaki, Outback, Jack in the Box,
>> McDonald's, Dairy Queen, McDonald's, Pizza Hut, Bombay House
>> (Indian), and Southgate Garden (Korean). There's a few more
>> spots that I haven't seen personally, too. And the roads to/from
>> are fast and easy to drive.
>>
>> The comments about mealtime being short I can sort of understand,
>> for folks who really strongly want to be able to have a sit-down
>> meal vs. something counter-service or fast food. (And I can see
>> both sides of whether having time for a sit-down dinner is a
>> thing that should be expected on a daylight schedule.)
>>
>> Is there something I'm missing about Vasa Park w.r.t. getting
>> food? I played on Saturday & Sunday, and our group had no
>> trouble not only having lunch but doing a full postmortem while
>> at lunch on both days. Even if I were someone that needed extra
>> time to get in/out of my car, you could get a meal equivalent or
>> better than what we'd be able to provide in the allotted time.
>> JC
>>
>>
>> --
>> JC Chupack
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>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com
>> <mailto:annromeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> man, see what happens when I type on my phone....
>> I had dinner with Jeff the other night, and he made the
>> observation that a meal should probably be served at Vasa
>> specifically. Something to keep in mind.
>> a
>>
>> Ann Romeo
>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com <mailto:annromeo at gmail.com>
>> Local home: 206-526-0871 <tel:%28206%29%20526-0871>
>> Work email: Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com
>> <mailto:Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com>
>> Work direct dial: 212-463-6331 <tel:%28212%29%20463-6331>
>> My cell: 425-615-1413 <tel:%28425%29%20615-1413> (text ok)
>>
>> //**
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *annromeo* <annromeo at gmail.com <mailto:annromeo at gmail.com>>
>> Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 7:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SBU Board] Attendance on Sunday
>> To: Seattle ACBL Unit Board <sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com
>> <mailto:sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com>>
>>
>>
>> Hefg also made a goid point at dinner ladt night. We really
>> shoukd hsve lunch on site at that particular venue...pizza or
>> sandwiches. It will make swiss much smoother and faster. If
>> I don't play...doable at reasonable cost.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com
>> <mailto:jc.chupack at gmail.com>>
>> Date: 3/7/18 2:56 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: Seattle ACBL Unit Board <sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com
>> <mailto:sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [SBU Board] Attendance on Sunday
>>
>> FWIW, I did think of another hypothesis for why we saw the
>> biggest drop-off for the Swiss. What if people honestly gave
>> Vasa Park another try because we noted it was remodeled, so
>> they came out on Friday and/or Saturday, saw that it was
>> still flawed in whatever way they particularly hate, and so
>> blew off Saturday and/or Sunday, leading to a decline over
>> the weekend as more folks decided it still wasn't meeting
>> their expectations?
>>
>> That is something that we'll get from the survey, though. I
>> have no doubt the vocal anti-Vasa folks will let us know if
>> they were disappointed with what they saw. :)
>>
>> --
>> JC Chupack
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>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 5:51 PM, JC Chupack
>> <jc.chupack at gmail.com <mailto:jc.chupack at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, we did discuss that specifically on Monday night.
>> The most compelling reason to not do pairs & teams on
>> that day is that whenever you have a pairs event with a
>> team event and don't have separate rooms, the pairs event
>> suffers noisiness when the teams are getting assignments
>> and re-locating. Running pairs along with the teams
>> happens a lot at NABCs and Regionals because they
>> typically have the space to provide separation.
>>
>> I'd also note that the event format itself didn't change
>> year-over-year (YoY), nor was there any indication that
>> it changed YoY. So, even though we all have heard
>> feedback about reasons folks don't go to Swiss, I'd have
>> trouble believing that the YoY drop-off is due to Swiss
>> itself. It could be a factor, though, if the decision
>> tree when some other big factor is at play (like weather
>> or location), means that folks who aren't fond of our
>> Swiss teams events anyways stay home. (i.e., "I am
>> willing to deal with [Vasa Park, snow, etc.] for pairs
>> because I like pairs games, but I'm not willing to deal
>> with it for Swiss because I don't like that format.")
>>
>> I'll do my best to address this somehow in the survey,
>> but it can be very tough to tease out when a number of
>> factors could be at play.
>>
>> JC
>>
>> --
>> JC Chupack
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>> jcchupack
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 5:18 PM, LARRY HOLDREN
>> <larryholdren at comcast.net
>> <mailto:larryholdren at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all:
>> When I got home Monday night, M asked about the
>> meeting. I told her that one of our concerns was the
>> poor turn out Sunday at Vasa Park. Her reaction was
>> something like “no wonder, all you had was Swiss teams.”
>> Maybe there is a point there. Perhaps one or two
>> limited pairs games and an open Swiss???
>> Could a question on this subject be added to the
>> planned survey?
>> Larry
>>
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