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of Apr 15:<br>
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That's during GNT As, so presumably some of us will be in Vancouver that
weekend.<br>
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If wanting to do it on a weekend, I could do the 8th.<br>
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Eric<br>
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<span>Ann Romeo wrote:</span><br>
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">And, as recently
as 5 years ago, the Sweetheart at Vasa was a big tournament. And in
spite of the neg comments, I hear positive comments, too, about the
venue. Again. someone I was eating dinner last night thought the venue
was greatly improved, and she likes playing there...</div><div
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style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">As a group, we
kicked around a few ideas at our Feb meeting that might help the next
time we are at Vasa (or really, any other sectional). One idea to
expand on would be to create a larger handicapped area for parking. I
was thinking we might be able to promote/reserve the asphalted space
for car pools and senior citizens. Ray's eyes lit up with the idea of
inviting less experienced players to join A players for a meal (and
beers?) and postmortems between sessions. The offering of hand analysis
a half hour before the next session also has merit--as Monty pointed
out, people may not want to play in sectionals, but they do want to
improve their game, and we need to think of ways to help players see how
playing in sectionals will improve their game! </div><div
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class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">I think this is a
great topic to expand on at our April meeting.</div><div
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style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Looking ahead in
April, some of us will not be able to make it on the 2nd (Tim, John, and
actually I will be out). We are scheduled to meet in Seattle, at the
offices of Davis, Wright (thanks, Monty)....but I wonder if we might
want to consider moving the meeting to later in the month, perhaps on a
Sunday, and at a location that might allow up to start a little earlier,
so that we can do some real planning-- My question for you: would you
be up for/available for a meeting on, say, Sunday April 15? Perhaps
starting at 11, with maybe light lunch (thinking pizza or such), where
we would have our usual meeting and allow for some subcommittee
planning?</div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">thoughts?</div><div
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dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Ann Romeo<br>Personal
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:44 PM, Tim White <span
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wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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style="word-wrap:break-word">Kicking these things around is helpful.
Inevitably there are as many views as players. I acknowledge on this
particular one I come from having regrettably been absent from both the
tournament and Monday evening's post mortem. A couple of thoughts come
to mind for context:<div><br></div><div>(1) One of the things I've
enjoyed about my time on the unit board has been its willingness to try
out new things. Some work better than others, but we learn from each.
Vasa last month was different in several respects and as much as we
might like to think sorting out of causes & effects to be science,
it is also art and in the end there's a fair measure of uncertainty. We
can't become entrapped in trying to please everyone -- we do the best
we can.</div><div><br></div><div>(2) As unappealing as some find Vasa,
it has long had a role as one of our sites and a continuing role is not
unlikely. As recently as 2013, three of our four open sectionals were
at Vasa. Vasa remains the only site we can count on for the
Sweetheart. We have searched for an alternative Sweetheart site and had
North Seattle College lined up for February 2017, but that fell
through. Miraculously, Bothell saved us by committing much earlier than
they normally can for the 2017 Sweetheart -- otherwise that tournament
would most likely have been canceled. Susan Cothern found Bothell some
years ago and it has become a mainstay. It is ideal for the KO and has
worked well for other tournaments. It is normally unworkable for the
Sweetheart because IUOE 302 cannot commit to dates with the lead time we
need. The upshot is that going forward we presently have no suitable,
affordable, available alternative to Vasa for the Sweetheart. Let's
make the best of Vasa we can, because until we find an
additional site workable for February we are likely going to Vasa for
the foreseeable.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div></font></span><div><span
class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Tim</font></span><div><div
class="h5"><div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 8,
2018, at 9:28 AM, JC Chupack <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jc.chupack@gmail.com" target="_blank">jc.chupack@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div><br class="m_-8845000987188294332Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote
type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>I admit that I don't
understand how anyone able-bodied could say they had trouble
finding/getting lunch for Vasa Park. (I did understand that concern for
Forest Ridge, just because the neighborhood there is so slow to go
in/out.) There are restaurants, including counter service, fast food,
and sit-down, within 5-7 minutes drive (under 2 miles) of Vasa Park.
Restaurants include Subway, Teriyaki, Outback, Jack in the Box,
McDonald's, Dairy Queen, McDonald's, Pizza Hut, Bombay House (Indian),
and Southgate Garden (Korean). There's a few more spots that I haven't
seen personally, too. And the roads to/from are fast and easy to drive.<br><br></div>The
comments about mealtime being short I can sort of understand, for folks
who really strongly want to be able to have a sit-down meal vs.
something counter-service or fast food. (And I can see both sides of
whether having time for a sit-down dinner is a thing that should be
expected on a daylight schedule.) <br><br></div><div>Is there something
I'm missing about Vasa Park w.r.t. getting food? I played on Saturday
& Sunday, and our group had no trouble not only having lunch but
doing a full postmortem while at lunch on both days. Even if I were
someone that needed extra time to get in/out of my car, you could get a
meal equivalent or better than what we'd be able to provide in the
allotted time. <br></div></div>JC<br><div><br></div></div><div
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Ann Romeo <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:annromeo@gmail.com" target="_blank">annromeo@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div
class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">man, see what
happens when I type on my phone....</div><div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">I had dinner with
Jeff the other night, and he made the observation that a meal should
probably be served at Vasa specifically. Something to keep in mind.</div><div
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data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div
dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Ann Romeo<br>Personal email: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:annromeo@gmail.com" target="_blank">annromeo@gmail.com</a></div>
<div>Local home: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28206%29%20526-0871" value="+12065260871" target="_blank">206-526-0871</a><br>Work
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href="tel:%28212%29%20463-6331" value="+12124636331" target="_blank">212-463-6331</a></div><div>My
cell: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%28425%29%20615-1413"
value="+14256151413" target="_blank">425-615-1413</a> (text ok)</div><div> </div><div><font
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From:
<b class="gmail_sendername">annromeo</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:annromeo@gmail.com" target="_blank">annromeo@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date:
Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 7:11 PM<br>Subject: Re: [SBU Board] Attendance on
Sunday<br>To: Seattle ACBL Unit Board <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sbuboard@mailman.celestial.com" target="_blank">sbuboard@mailman.celestial.co<wbr>m</a>><br><br><br><div><div>Hefg
also made a goid point at dinner ladt night. We really shoukd hsve
lunch on site at that particular venue...pizza or sandwiches. It will
make swiss much smoother and faster. If I don't play...doable at
reasonable cost. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div
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</div><div>Date: 3/7/18 2:56 PM (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: Seattle
ACBL Unit Board <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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</div><div>Subject: Re: [SBU Board] Attendance on Sunday </div><div><br></div></div></span><div><div
class="m_-8845000987188294332m_960655312106252044h5"><div dir="ltr"><div>FWIW,
I did think of another hypothesis for why we saw the biggest drop-off
for the Swiss. What if people honestly gave Vasa Park another try
because we noted it was remodeled, so they came out on Friday and/or
Saturday, saw that it was still flawed in whatever way they particularly
hate, and so blew off Saturday and/or Sunday, leading to a decline over
the weekend as more folks decided it still wasn't meeting their
expectations?<br><br></div>That is something that we'll get from the
survey, though. I have no doubt the vocal anti-Vasa folks will let us
know if they were disappointed with what they saw. :)<br></div><div
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 5:51 PM, JC Chupack <span
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wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>FWIW,
we did discuss that specifically on Monday night. The most compelling
reason to not do pairs & teams on that day is that whenever you have
a pairs event with a team event and don't have separate rooms, the
pairs event suffers noisiness when the teams are getting assignments and
re-locating. Running pairs along with the teams happens a lot at NABCs
and Regionals because they typically have the space to provide
separation.<br><br></div>I'd also note that the event format itself
didn't change year-over-year (YoY), nor was there any indication that it
changed YoY. So, even though we all have heard feedback about reasons
folks don't go to Swiss, I'd have trouble believing that the YoY
drop-off is due to Swiss itself. It could be a factor, though, if the
decision tree when some other big factor is at play (like weather or
location), means that folks who aren't fond of our Swiss teams events
anyways stay home. (i.e., "I am willing to deal with [Vasa Park, snow,
etc.] for pairs because I like pairs games, but I'm not willing to deal
with it for Swiss because I don't like that format.")<br><br></div>I'll
do my best to address this somehow in the survey, but it can be very
tough to tease out when a number of factors could be at play.<br><br></div>JC<br></div><div
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class="m_-8845000987188294332m_960655312106252044m_-1599344744700937792h5">On
Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 5:18 PM, LARRY HOLDREN <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Hi all:</div>
<div> </div>
<div>When I got home Monday night, M asked about the meeting. I told
her
that one of our concerns was the poor turn out Sunday at Vasa Park. Her
reaction was something like “no wonder, all you had was Swiss teams.”</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Maybe there is a point there. Perhaps one or two limited pairs
games
and an open Swiss???</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Could a question on this subject be added to the planned survey?</div><span
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