[SBU Board] A Problem with Our May 2017 NLM Sectional Venue

Tim White trkwhite at gmail.com
Mon Nov 7 08:12:07 PST 2016 

Helpful data & thoughts JC and Ann, thanks.

Yes, we surely should explore/consider sites with 30+/- tables.

At 8- to 9-foot spacing we need ~2,000 to ~2,400sqft for 30 tables.  9-foot is more comfortable for players and DIC.  Also need DIC and hospitality space.  And, since room form factors are rarely a multiple of 8 or 9 feet in length or width, there is normally some amount of "wasted" space.

I too, sense we have a bulge in the pipeline of newer players.

We should not overlook south end venue opportunities.

John W has said he will be checking out the Jewish Day School (where an NLM was held a number of years ago BTW) and Larry said he would check Bellevue school system facilities.

Thanks for the good ideas and thought -- let's keep going!

Tim



On Nov 7, 2016, at 6:18 AM, Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:

> One issue to keep in mind.  If we hold this at a club, say the ESBC, we will prob get MORE tables than at an off-site location.,..But I think we should talk to both Nick and ESBC.  Might be good to consider one day at one, and the other at the the other (bad sentence, but you know what I'm trying to say).  Maybe Nick on Sat and ESBC on Sunday at the end of the month (when it doesn't interfere with special games...
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> Our first NLM tournaments were at ESBC, we did it there a couple years and outgrew the space.​  There was also at that time a whole cadre of beginners and C players, who over the past 10 years have eventually made life master.  I think another fat part of the snake of beginners is starting to enter the pipeline and should feed this tournament in the years ahead.
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> Our history in general is that we have never made money with NLMs, but rarely lost more than $500 on any one of these.  When they have been well-marketed, including board members in person talking it up at clubs, esp in the south end, they have done OK. We have also had to try to make the venue as cheap as possible--that is at the core of keeping the costs down.
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> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:07 AM, JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just so we have the history, I checked the 2015 NLMs we hosted.  The spring NLM had at most 28 tables of simultaneous play.  The fall NLM had at most 22 simultaneous tables.  Here's where I'm looking to find this information:
> http://web2.acbl.org/tournaments/results/2015/03/1503172.htm <--spring 2015
> http://web2.acbl.org/tournaments/results/2015/11/1511143.htm <--fall 2015
> http://web2.acbl.org/tournaments/results/2016/04/1604093.htm <--spring 2016
> http://web2.acbl.org/tournaments/results/2016/10/1610177.htm <--fall 2016
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> If I'm mis-reading the above records, let me know, but it seems like 30 would probably be plenty, and given that it seems to be declining, we could probably squeak by with less.  Just noting in case it does actually help open up some options.  
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> Also...to convert "table count" into square footage, I'm estimating that square footage needs would be around 2000-2500, based on the ACBL's facility guidance (http://www.acbl.org/about-acbl/administration/acbl-handbook/i-facility/).  Does that sound close to what we generally plan for?
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> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Tim White <trkwhite at gmail.com> wrote:
> The two NLM sectionals in 2016 were poorly attended in comparison with other recent ones.  I recall we hit 80 tables for an NLM in 2015, with one of the sessions around 30 tables.  We set up about 34 tables, as I recall, at NSC last month.  If there's a great venue in other respects, but can only handle about 30 tables, then we should look at it.
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> Nothing wrong in checking with the clubs, but in at least the case of EBC there is an issue with supplanting their Saturday game.  I checked with EBC a year or so ago about holding D19 GNTs Finals there on a Saturday and Sunday.   They needed at least $600 in rental fees for Saturday alone and I think they were really reluctant to cancel the Saturday club game many of their regulars enjoy.  SBU has two regularly scheduled games on Saturday.
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> Kept the ideas coming,
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> On Nov 6, 2016, at 4:14 PM, William Campbell <jwccsllc at me.com> wrote:
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>> On Nov 6, 2016, at 3:29 PM, JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> First, do we really need 36 tables of space for the NLM events?  Looking at the results in ACBL Live, it doesn't seem like we had that many tables at either of the recent NLM tournaments.  October had <15 tables for all events posted.  Spring had <15 tables for all events as well.  I understand being optimistic (and I certainly want to get more tables there!), but over 2X is a large amount of optimism, and it seems like we shouldn't constrain our search on that basis.  
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>> That would certainly increase the number of possible locations.
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>> Is Forest Ridge still available after the problems from our last tournament there?
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>>> Have we considered running it at either of our two "owned location" clubs?  SBC seems like it would have sufficient space, as does EBC.  If the clubs are willing to forgo their Saturday regular games for that weekend, I'd love to see us give that money to the bridge community by supporting one or both local club facilities.
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>> Going to one or both of the local clubs seems like a good idea to me as they have the facilities, and the capacity necessary for the NLM events.  I looked at the EBC's table count for the Saturday game going back a year, and they're averaging 16.4 tables for the year with peaks over 20 for some special games and regular games in January.  Just looking at the revenue at $10.00/player for these games, the average income was $654.40, and a maximum of $940.00 which is within the budget for hall rentals.
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