[SBU Board] A Problem with Our May 2017 NLM Sectional Venue

Mon Nov 7 08:35:10 PST 2016

we can also consider changing the structure of the event.  An idea:  SAT
single session Swiss, in the evening, at ESBC; Sunday double session pairs
at Nick's.  If we do it at the two big clubs, I would want to share it with
both clubs, not all at one, btw.  Or run the pair games on Friday/Sat
evenings, and an all-day Swiss on Sunday...  just throwing out some ideas.

romeo

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On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Tim White <trkwhite at gmail.com> wrote:

> Helpful data & thoughts JC and Ann, thanks.
>
> Yes, we surely should explore/consider sites with 30+/- tables.
>
> At 8- to 9-foot spacing we need ~2,000 to ~2,400sqft for 30 tables.
>  9-foot is more comfortable for players and DIC.  Also need DIC and
> hospitality space.  And, since room form factors are rarely a multiple of 8
> or 9 feet in length or width, there is normally some amount of "wasted"
> space.
>
> I too, sense we have a bulge in the pipeline of newer players.
>
> We should not overlook south end venue opportunities.
>
> John W has said he will be checking out the Jewish Day School (where an
> NLM was held a number of years ago BTW) and Larry said he would check
> Bellevue school system facilities.
>
> Thanks for the good ideas and thought -- let's keep going!
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2016, at 6:18 AM, Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> One issue to keep in mind.  If we hold this at a club, say the ESBC, we
> will prob get MORE tables than at an off-site location.,..But I think we
> should talk to both Nick and ESBC.  Might be good to consider one day at
> one, and the other at the the other (bad sentence, but you know what I'm
> trying to say).  Maybe Nick on Sat and ESBC on Sunday at the end of the
> month (when it doesn't interfere with special games...
>
> Our first NLM tournaments were at ESBC, we did it there a couple years and
> outgrew the space.  There was also at that time a whole cadre of beginners
> and C players, who over the past 10 years have eventually made life
> master.  I think another fat part of the snake of beginners is starting to
> enter the pipeline and should feed this tournament in the years ahead.
>
> Our history in general is that we have never made money with NLMs, but
> rarely lost more than $500 on any one of these.  When they have been
> well-marketed, including board members in person talking it up at clubs,
> esp in the south end, they have done OK. We have also had to try to make
> the venue as cheap as possible--that is at the core of keeping the costs
> down.
>
> romeo
>
> Ann Romeo
> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
> Local home: 425-392-8417
> Work email: Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com
> Work direct dial: 212-463-6331
> My cell: 425-615-1413
>
>
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>
>
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> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:07 AM, JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just so we have the history, I checked the 2015 NLMs we hosted.  The
>> spring NLM had at most 28 tables of simultaneous play.  The fall NLM had at
>> most 22 simultaneous tables.  Here's where I'm looking to find this
>> information:
>> http://web2.acbl.org/tournaments/results/2015/03/1503172.htm <--spring
>> 2015
>> http://web2.acbl.org/tournaments/results/2015/11/1511143.htm <--fall 2015
>> http://web2.acbl.org/tournaments/results/2016/04/1604093.htm <--spring
>> 2016
>> http://web2.acbl.org/tournaments/results/2016/10/1610177.htm <--fall 2016
>>
>> If I'm mis-reading the above records, let me know, but it seems like 30
>> would probably be plenty, and given that it seems to be declining, we could
>> probably squeak by with less.  Just noting in case it does actually help
>> open up some options.
>>
>> Also...to convert "table count" into square footage, I'm estimating that
>> square footage needs would be around 2000-2500, based on the ACBL's
>> facility guidance (http://www.acbl.org/about-acb
>> l/administration/acbl-handbook/i-facility/).  Does that sound close to
>> what we generally plan for?
>>
>> --
>> JC Chupack
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>>
>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Tim White <trkwhite at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The two NLM sectionals in 2016 were poorly attended in comparison with
>>> other recent ones.  I recall we hit 80 tables for an NLM in 2015, with one
>>> of the sessions around 30 tables.  We set up about 34 tables, as I recall,
>>> at NSC last month.  If there's a great venue in other respects,
>>> but can only handle about 30 tables, then we should look at it.
>>>
>>> Nothing wrong in checking with the clubs, but in at least the case of
>>> EBC there is an issue with supplanting their Saturday game.  I checked with
>>> EBC a year or so ago about holding D19 GNTs Finals there on a Saturday and
>>> Sunday.   They needed at least $600 in rental fees for Saturday alone and I
>>> think they were really reluctant to cancel the Saturday club game many of
>>> their regulars enjoy.  SBU has two regularly scheduled games on Saturday.
>>>
>>> Kept the ideas coming,
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2016, at 4:14 PM, William Campbell <jwccsllc at me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2016, at 3:29 PM, JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> First, do we really need 36 tables of space for the NLM events?  Looking
>>> at the results in ACBL Live, it doesn't seem like we had that many tables
>>> at either of the recent NLM tournaments.  October had <15 tables for all
>>> events posted.  Spring had <15 tables for all events as well.  I understand
>>> being optimistic (and I certainly want to get more tables there!), but over
>>> 2X is a large amount of optimism, and it seems like we shouldn't constrain
>>> our search on that basis.
>>>
>>>
>>> That would certainly increase the number of possible locations.
>>>
>>> Is Forest Ridge still available after the problems from our last
>>> tournament there?
>>>
>>> Have we considered running it at either of our two "owned location"
>>> clubs?  SBC seems like it would have sufficient space, as does EBC.  If the
>>> clubs are willing to forgo their Saturday regular games for that weekend,
>>> I'd love to see us give that money to the bridge community by supporting
>>> one or both local club facilities.
>>>
>>>
>>> Going to one or both of the local clubs seems like a good idea to me as
>>> they have the facilities, and the capacity necessary for the NLM events.  I
>>> looked at the EBC's table count for the Saturday game going back a year,
>>> and they're averaging 16.4 tables for the year with peaks over 20 for some
>>> special games and regular games in January.  Just looking at the revenue at
>>> $10.00/player for these games, the average income was $654.40, and a
>>> maximum of $940.00 which is within the budget for hall rentals.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
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