[SBU Board] Fwd: Team Event Proposal

Mon Mar 9 00:51:08 PDT 2020

I also agree with the format Monty is proposing.  I would like to see us do
it at the Knock-out Sectional instead of waiting until Fall if that is
possible.

Susan

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 2:54 PM Karen Hudesman via Sbuboard <
sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com> wrote:

> I totally agree with the format
> That Monty is proposing.
> Thank you
> Karen
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 3, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Monty Gray <mlgrayjr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I’m following up on Monday evening’s discussion of the format and duration
> of the Sunday Swiss event at last month’s Sectional.  Matt K told me that
> the “7 rounds of 8” structure was the result of Eric Sieg's proposal, which
> the Board adopted at its August 2019 meeting for “an initial trial period
> of 2020.”  Eric’s proposal, which I’ve attached below, contains some
> discussion of the background.
>
> Personally, I believe that extending play past 6:00 p.m. on Sunday, as
> occurred last month, is too long, at least for the majority of players, and
> that the Sunday format should be adjusted if necessary to avoid that result
> whenever possible.
>
> At the fall Harvest Sectional in 2018, we had an A/X section that played
> 6 rounds of 9 boards each, a 0-2500 stratified Swiss section that played 6
> rounds of 8 boards each, and a one-session 0-200 event.  There were 14
> tables in the A/X, 11 tables in the stratified Swiss, and 4 tables in the
> 0-200 event.  I thought that worked well, and would like us to consider its
> repetition this fall.  My notes indicate that we were done by 6:00.
>
> Monty Gray
>
> (206) 369-6444
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Eric Sieg* <easieg at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 11:05 AM
> Subject: [SBU Board] Team Event Proposal
> To: Seattle ACBL Unit Board <sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com>
>
>
>
> Proposal for Team Events. the following was constructed based on feedback
> from A/B/C players, directors, ACBL guidelines in regards to how many
> boards to play in Swiss events, and ACBL guidelines (and consultation with
> Jeff Ford) on how many rounds to play for a certain # of teams.
>
>
>
> It seems good to have this voted on and confirmed as a board to allow for
> predictable events and so that there are clear guidelines for directors so
> we don't need have huddle every sectional to figure out how many boards to
> play. The likely area for discussion tonight is the recommendation on how
> many boards to play when A, B, and C players are playing together as well
> as the concept of prompt rounds. Other places in the ACBL have enforced
> time penalties and I have never ever seen someone get upset about it. The
> key is to communicate their existence and the reasoning clearly. It has
> always been well received and appreciated and results in people getting out
> quickly. I think everyone appreciates getting out 30+ minutes earlier as a
> result of rounds being called promptly and it'd be great to see this become
> part of our approach here in Seattle.
>
>
>
> By far the overwhelming feedback I heard from the last sectional (after
> the chairs) was the reduced amount of boards in play for the Swiss. Two
> different people said they felt misled and expressed the feeling that had
> they known, they would not have played.
>
>
>
> *SWISS*
>
>
>
> If less than 20 teams in an event, 6 rounds. If Open or A/X or similar,
> then 6 9 board rounds. If an event with an upper masterpoint limit, then 6
> 8 board rounds.
>
> If 20 or more teams in an event, 7 rounds. If Open/ or A/X or all levels,
> then 7 8 board rounds. If an event with an upper masterpoint limit, then 7
> 7 board rounds.
>
>
>
> *Special rule, if A/X and BCD are split then try to stretch to keep the
> same # of rounds to simplify lunches. If the team with more teams has more
> than 19 but less than 24, then run 6 rounds in both events. Conversely, if
> the team with the most has over 24 and the lower team has 18 (but not 20),
> then run as 7 round event.
>
>
>
> **If there are going to be a different # of rounds, then tournament chairs
> should work with directors to insure that there is not an overly long break
> for one team resulting in a longer event. This might involve fetching
> lunches, trying to line up help or a director while the other is eating,
> maybe buying/lining up lunch for a director that won't get a full lunch
> break, etc.
>
>
>
> In order to ensure getting out in a timely manner, time per round should
> be visible on round clocks at all times. Announcements should include an
> announcement about time deadlines being enforced: scores must be reported
> before clock hits 0 and that discussions should happen AFTER the scores are
> reported. First failure will result in warning (mark on scoresheet),
> further violations will be assessed a penalty. The goal here is to keep
> things moving, not make people feel bad. Nobody likes to go home later than
> necessary, but if the movement isn't kept moving then that can easily
> happen. This has been handled well in other locations (with no hard
> feelings and appreciated by almost all) but is new for Seattle, so
> dedicating extra energy to education at the start is recommended.
>
>
>
> For all team Swiss team events, 36 boards should be pre-duplicated for the
> event and pre-duplicated boards should be made available for the open event
> after the 3rd round for 7 round events and after the 2nd round for 6 round
> events. Enough boards for at least the top 4 matches should be prepared
> ahead of time.
>
>
>
> *KNOCKOUTS*
>
>
>
> For knockouts, during the round robin rounds there will be 24 boards in
> play. For semi-final and final rounds, there should be 28 boards in play
> for the top bracket and 26 boards in play for lower brackets.
>
>
>
> The semi finals and finals of the top bracket should have pre-duplicated
> boards. Ideally all matches on the 2nd day would have preduplicated boards,
> but that might not be financially feasible. Pre-duped boards would also
> allow for discussion and/or a lecture between rounds that all levels can
> participate in.
>
>
>
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