[SBU Board] fyi--single session BAM back on the schedule atSweetheart Sectional

Mon Sep 10 13:36:41 PDT 2018

Thanks for this JC, it confirms what I thought I recalled from last year.
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Ann Romeo
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On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 4:23 PM, JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's the data on Friday sessions. Running daylight on Friday resulted in
> the least drop-off from session one to session two.
>
> 18% drop-off from morning to afternoon at Vasa in 2018
> 30% drop-off from afternoon to evening at Bothell in 2017
> 23% drop-off from afternoon to evening at Vasa in 2016
>
> We tried the daylight schedule in 2018 for Friday as a test. The test
> showed that we retain more players than with an afternoon/evening.  With
> that plus the lousy 9 table showing at fast pairs (which, again, has
> nothing to do with how fast the rounds were...people made the decision to
> be there expecting real fast pairs...for all we know, running it as a
> sort-of-fast pairs would be a positive for attendance, not a negative, if
> the reality is that fast pairs scares people off).
>
> I'm a working player. I get screwed by this, because I'm not taking a day
> off for a sectional generally speaking. But I still can't reasonably
> justify running a 7pm session that few players hang around for.  This one
> being in winter and at Vasa makes a Friday evening particularly bad. Vasa
> Park is dark even during a normal winter day. It's *very* dark at night,
> and it's a hellacious drive to do after work. So, if we're picking one
> sectional to do a full daylight on, this is the one to do it...and it seems
> to have worked well for us.
>
>
> --
> JC Chupack
> Seattle ACBL Unit 446 <http://bridgeinseattle.org> Secretary, Electronic
> Contact, & Publicity Chair
>
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:49 AM, Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We went to daylight, for at least 2 of our tournaments, because that's
>> what our audience in general, seems to want.  The morning session was
>> successful (and will probably continue to be), I believe, especially with
>> the newer players.  Yes, the folk who will suffer are the workerbees, who
>> will have to take a day off if they want to play both sessions of the
>> pairs.  One of the arguments for offering a third session is to have an
>> event for those who work to come and play in. without having to miss any
>> worktime.  Fast pairs didn't prove as popular as we thought--good to try
>> it, but if it doesn't work, we should reconsider.
>> a
>>
>> Ann Romeo
>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
>> Local home: 206-526-0871
>> Work email: Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com
>> Work direct dial: 212-463-6331
>> My cell: 425-615-1413 (text ok)
>>
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>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 1:25 PM, William Campbell via Sbuboard <
>> sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com> wrote:
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>>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 8:39 AM, JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep, I agree with Monty's points. Also, we always lose money on meals,
>>> and the intent of the 3 session day was never supposed to be that the
>>> majority of people play all three sessions. (We know there's some
>>> race-obsessed people who will do it, but they can also take care of
>>> themselves because they know what they're getting into.)  The reason for
>>> the third session is to provide working players an option for Friday. If
>>> the belief is that working players won't come out for Friday evening for
>>> any event, then we should kill the third session. We already know they
>>> won't come out for fast pairs.
>>>
>>> The KO makes much more sense for the BAM, IMO, so I'm fine with moving
>>> it there.
>>>
>>> I'm in favor of killing the third session; I was in that camp at the
>>> meeting. If there's a pervasive interest in keeping it, I don't object to
>>> keeping it with a regular open pairs event. Fast pairs clearly isn't of
>>> interest. (It's not like people decided not to come knowing it wouldn't be
>>> a real fast pairs...that error didn't change attendance, only satisfaction.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Me too.
>>>
>>> Why did we go from the afternoon/evening two-session format for Vasa
>>> Park?  This allows working people to play both sessions taking a half-day
>>> off work.  IIRC, the Friday evening sessions had about 40% fewer tables
>>> than the afternoon, but that's a lot better than 8 tables as we had in the
>>> Fast Pairs last year.
>>>
>>> I don't know many people who play 3-sessions at Regionals or Nationals
>>> in any case.  When the main games are morning/afternoon, it takes a hardy
>>> player to do both then do the evening session.
>>>
>>> No event in February here can be considered "Daylight" as sunset is
>>> around 5:15pm.
>>>
>>> I think that afternoon/evening makes more sense than morning/afternoon,
>>> or morning/afternoon/evening
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>> JC
>>>
>>> --
>>> JC Chupack
>>> Seattle ACBL Unit 446 <http://bridgeinseattle.org/> Secretary,
>>> Electronic Contact, & Publicity Chair
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 8:22 AM, John Weinberg <judgejohn at msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with Monty and Tim.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John W.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Sbuboard <sbuboard-bounces+judgejohn=ms
>>>> n.com at mailman.celestial.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim White
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 10, 2018 7:50 AM
>>>> *To:* Seattle ACBL Unit Board <sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com>
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [SBU Board] Fwd: fyi--single session BAM back on the
>>>> schedule atSweetheart Sectional
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I concur with Monty’s points.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tim
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>>>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 7:09 AM, Monty Gray <mlgrayjr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
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>>>> I’m OK with having BAM on Friday night of the KO if that’s what people
>>>> want to do.  I’m not in favor of a third-session fast pairs event in the
>>>> Spring.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We’ve tried that, it didn’t work even when people expected the fast
>>>> pairs would be fast, and I don’t think a pizza will solve the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some of us don’t like three-session days, some of us don’t much like
>>>> fast pairs, and some don’t want to or can’t drive at night.  Between those
>>>> three things, I suspect that a third session for fast pairs will always be
>>>> a money-loser, as well as needlessly exhausting for the tournament chairs
>>>> and directing staff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Monty Gray
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, September 9, 2018 10:22 PM
>>>> *To: *Seattle ACBL Unit Board <sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [SBU Board] Fwd: fyi--single session BAM back on the
>>>> schedule atSweetheart Sectional
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> After talking with Jeff tonight, I would like to propose to the board a
>>>> different event schedule for Vasa (and then also for the Memorial Day KO).
>>>>
>>>> Basically: put FAST PAIRS back on the docket for the thirds session at
>>>> Vasa for 7:30.  AND have a pizza and salad meal ($5.00) for the HOUR we
>>>> have between the second and third session. AND make sure Fast pairs are
>>>> really fast pairs.  (this will be doable, esp with Tom on the board
>>>> helping...)
>>>>
>>>> then
>>>>
>>>> Move the single session BAM to Friday night of the KO sectional in May.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Among the problems with the BAM at Vasa at the Sweetheart:
>>>>
>>>>    - first no time to eat if you are playing in the earlier two
>>>>    session event, and
>>>>    - second, the session the next day on Saturday is early.  BAM needs
>>>>    to be done when we have a later starting time  the next day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to have some email discussion amongst us all, and then a vote
>>>> Monday by 3:00.  Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for considering all of this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ann
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Ann Romeo
>>>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Local home: 206-526-0871
>>>> Work email: Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com
>>>>
>>>> Work direct dial: 212-463-6331
>>>>
>>>> My cell: 425-615-1413 (text ok)
>>>>
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>>>> On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 10:32 PM, JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Ann - since the mail exchange was b/w you and Jeff, could you find
>>>> out what test he thinks would be "the right way to do it"?  His comment
>>>> doesn't make a ton of sense to me, since this is exactly where the BAM was
>>>> previously...and it's the session most likely to draw BAMmers (vs. an
>>>> afternoon or morning where you get more novice/intermediate players).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We wouldn't be the first sectional to make a late-breaking schedule
>>>> change if there's something that makes more sense here that the board
>>>> agrees with, but we'd need to know very quickly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> JC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> JC Chupack
>>>>
>>>> Seattle ACBL Unit 446 <http://bridgeinseattle.org/> Secretary,
>>>> Electronic Contact, & Publicity Chair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 7:28 AM, Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> FYI...
>>>>
>>>> Ann Romeo
>>>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Local home: 206-526-0871
>>>> Work email: Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com
>>>>
>>>> Work direct dial: 212-463-6331
>>>>
>>>> My cell: 425-615-1413 (text ok)
>>>>
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>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: *Jeff Ford* <jeffford at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 9:48 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: fyi--single session BAM back on the schedule at Sweetheart
>>>> Sectional
>>>> To: Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Kim Eng <kimlieng7 at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> I am worried that this event will have incredibly low turnout given its
>>>> scheduling - the "fast" pairs wasn't very large last year in the same time
>>>> slot - and then this will be taken as evidence that "people don't like
>>>> BAM". I appreciate that the board is trying to get one back on the
>>>> schedule, but I don't think this is the right way to do it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 10:30 AM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yep, we know about the midchart issue.
>>>>
>>>> The BAM will be at 7:30, and yes there will be two session pairs at
>>>> 10:30 and 3:00.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ann Romeo
>>>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Local home: 206-526-0871 <(206)%20526-0871>
>>>> Work email: Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com
>>>>
>>>> Work direct dial: 212-463-6331 <(212)%20463-6331>
>>>>
>>>> My cell: 425-615-1413 <(425)%20615-1413> (text ok)
>>>>
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>>>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 12:29 PM, Jeff Ford <jeffford at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Also to whoever is responsible for the flyer, a reminder that the
>>>> language about midchart will need to be updated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 9:29 AM Jeff Ford <jeffford at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What's the full schedule? Is it still based off a 10 & 3 like this
>>>> years or are we back to afternoon/evening?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 8:41 AM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Friday night, 7:30....get your teams together, and get everyone else
>>>> into the hunt.
>>>>
>>>> Let the fun events continue!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Ann Romeo
>>>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Local home: 206-526-0871 <(206)%20526-0871>
>>>> Work email: Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com
>>>>
>>>> Work direct dial: 212-463-6331 <(212)%20463-6331>
>>>>
>>>> My cell: 425-615-1413 <(425)%20615-1413> (text ok)
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