[SBU Board] fyi--single session BAM back on the schedule atSweetheart Sectional

Mon Sep 10 13:23:42 PDT 2018

Here's the data on Friday sessions. Running daylight on Friday resulted in
the least drop-off from session one to session two.

18% drop-off from morning to afternoon at Vasa in 2018
30% drop-off from afternoon to evening at Bothell in 2017
23% drop-off from afternoon to evening at Vasa in 2016

We tried the daylight schedule in 2018 for Friday as a test. The test
showed that we retain more players than with an afternoon/evening.  With
that plus the lousy 9 table showing at fast pairs (which, again, has
nothing to do with how fast the rounds were...people made the decision to
be there expecting real fast pairs...for all we know, running it as a
sort-of-fast pairs would be a positive for attendance, not a negative, if
the reality is that fast pairs scares people off).

I'm a working player. I get screwed by this, because I'm not taking a day
off for a sectional generally speaking. But I still can't reasonably
justify running a 7pm session that few players hang around for.  This one
being in winter and at Vasa makes a Friday evening particularly bad. Vasa
Park is dark even during a normal winter day. It's *very* dark at night,
and it's a hellacious drive to do after work. So, if we're picking one
sectional to do a full daylight on, this is the one to do it...and it seems
to have worked well for us.

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JC Chupack
Seattle ACBL Unit 446 <http://bridgeinseattle.org> Secretary, Electronic
Contact, & Publicity Chair

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:49 AM, Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:

> We went to daylight, for at least 2 of our tournaments, because that's
> what our audience in general, seems to want.  The morning session was
> successful (and will probably continue to be), I believe, especially with
> the newer players.  Yes, the folk who will suffer are the workerbees, who
> will have to take a day off if they want to play both sessions of the
> pairs.  One of the arguments for offering a third session is to have an
> event for those who work to come and play in. without having to miss any
> worktime.  Fast pairs didn't prove as popular as we thought--good to try
> it, but if it doesn't work, we should reconsider.
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> Ann Romeo
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> Work direct dial: 212-463-6331
> My cell: 425-615-1413 (text ok)
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> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 1:25 PM, William Campbell via Sbuboard <
> sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com> wrote:
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>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 8:39 AM, JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Yep, I agree with Monty's points. Also, we always lose money on meals,
>> and the intent of the 3 session day was never supposed to be that the
>> majority of people play all three sessions. (We know there's some
>> race-obsessed people who will do it, but they can also take care of
>> themselves because they know what they're getting into.)  The reason for
>> the third session is to provide working players an option for Friday. If
>> the belief is that working players won't come out for Friday evening for
>> any event, then we should kill the third session. We already know they
>> won't come out for fast pairs.
>>
>> The KO makes much more sense for the BAM, IMO, so I'm fine with moving it
>> there.
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>> I'm in favor of killing the third session; I was in that camp at the
>> meeting. If there's a pervasive interest in keeping it, I don't object to
>> keeping it with a regular open pairs event. Fast pairs clearly isn't of
>> interest. (It's not like people decided not to come knowing it wouldn't be
>> a real fast pairs...that error didn't change attendance, only satisfaction.)
>>
>>
>> Me too.
>>
>> Why did we go from the afternoon/evening two-session format for Vasa
>> Park?  This allows working people to play both sessions taking a half-day
>> off work.  IIRC, the Friday evening sessions had about 40% fewer tables
>> than the afternoon, but that's a lot better than 8 tables as we had in the
>> Fast Pairs last year.
>>
>> I don't know many people who play 3-sessions at Regionals or Nationals in
>> any case.  When the main games are morning/afternoon, it takes a hardy
>> player to do both then do the evening session.
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>> No event in February here can be considered "Daylight" as sunset is
>> around 5:15pm.
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>> I think that afternoon/evening makes more sense than morning/afternoon,
>> or morning/afternoon/evening
>>
>> Bill
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>> JC
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>> --
>> JC Chupack
>> Seattle ACBL Unit 446 <http://bridgeinseattle.org/> Secretary,
>> Electronic Contact, & Publicity Chair
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>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 8:22 AM, John Weinberg <judgejohn at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with Monty and Tim.
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>>> John W.
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>>> *From:* Sbuboard <sbuboard-bounces+judgejohn=ms
>>> n.com at mailman.celestial.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim White
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 10, 2018 7:50 AM
>>> *To:* Seattle ACBL Unit Board <sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com>
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [SBU Board] Fwd: fyi--single session BAM back on the
>>> schedule atSweetheart Sectional
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>>>
>>> I concur with Monty’s points.
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>>> Tim
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>>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 7:09 AM, Monty Gray <mlgrayjr at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> I’m OK with having BAM on Friday night of the KO if that’s what people
>>> want to do.  I’m not in favor of a third-session fast pairs event in the
>>> Spring.
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>>> We’ve tried that, it didn’t work even when people expected the fast
>>> pairs would be fast, and I don’t think a pizza will solve the problem.
>>>
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>>> Some of us don’t like three-session days, some of us don’t much like
>>> fast pairs, and some don’t want to or can’t drive at night.  Between those
>>> three things, I suspect that a third session for fast pairs will always be
>>> a money-loser, as well as needlessly exhausting for the tournament chairs
>>> and directing staff.
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>>> Monty Gray
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>>> *From: *Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, September 9, 2018 10:22 PM
>>> *To: *Seattle ACBL Unit Board <sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [SBU Board] Fwd: fyi--single session BAM back on the
>>> schedule atSweetheart Sectional
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>>> After talking with Jeff tonight, I would like to propose to the board a
>>> different event schedule for Vasa (and then also for the Memorial Day KO).
>>>
>>> Basically: put FAST PAIRS back on the docket for the thirds session at
>>> Vasa for 7:30.  AND have a pizza and salad meal ($5.00) for the HOUR we
>>> have between the second and third session. AND make sure Fast pairs are
>>> really fast pairs.  (this will be doable, esp with Tom on the board
>>> helping...)
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>>> then
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>>> Move the single session BAM to Friday night of the KO sectional in May.
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>>> Among the problems with the BAM at Vasa at the Sweetheart:
>>>
>>>    - first no time to eat if you are playing in the earlier two session
>>>    event, and
>>>    - second, the session the next day on Saturday is early.  BAM needs
>>>    to be done when we have a later starting time  the next day.
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>>> I'd like to have some email discussion amongst us all, and then a vote
>>> Monday by 3:00.  Thoughts?
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>>>
>>> Thanks for considering all of this.
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>>>
>>> Ann
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>>> Ann Romeo
>>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
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>>> Local home: 206-526-0871
>>> Work email: Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com
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>>> Work direct dial: 212-463-6331
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>>> My cell: 425-615-1413 (text ok)
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>>> On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 10:32 PM, JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>> Hey Ann - since the mail exchange was b/w you and Jeff, could you find
>>> out what test he thinks would be "the right way to do it"?  His comment
>>> doesn't make a ton of sense to me, since this is exactly where the BAM was
>>> previously...and it's the session most likely to draw BAMmers (vs. an
>>> afternoon or morning where you get more novice/intermediate players).
>>>
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>>> We wouldn't be the first sectional to make a late-breaking schedule
>>> change if there's something that makes more sense here that the board
>>> agrees with, but we'd need to know very quickly.
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>>> JC
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>>> --
>>> JC Chupack
>>>
>>> Seattle ACBL Unit 446 <http://bridgeinseattle.org/> Secretary,
>>> Electronic Contact, & Publicity Chair
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>>> On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 7:28 AM, Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> FYI...
>>>
>>> Ann Romeo
>>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
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>>> Local home: 206-526-0871
>>> Work email: Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com
>>>
>>> Work direct dial: 212-463-6331
>>>
>>> My cell: 425-615-1413 (text ok)
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>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: *Jeff Ford* <jeffford at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 9:48 AM
>>> Subject: Re: fyi--single session BAM back on the schedule at Sweetheart
>>> Sectional
>>> To: Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Kim Eng <kimlieng7 at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> I am worried that this event will have incredibly low turnout given its
>>> scheduling - the "fast" pairs wasn't very large last year in the same time
>>> slot - and then this will be taken as evidence that "people don't like
>>> BAM". I appreciate that the board is trying to get one back on the
>>> schedule, but I don't think this is the right way to do it.
>>>
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>>>
>>> Jeff
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>>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 10:30 AM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep, we know about the midchart issue.
>>>
>>> The BAM will be at 7:30, and yes there will be two session pairs at
>>> 10:30 and 3:00.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ann Romeo
>>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
>>>
>>> Local home: 206-526-0871 <(206)%20526-0871>
>>> Work email: Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com
>>>
>>> Work direct dial: 212-463-6331 <(212)%20463-6331>
>>>
>>> My cell: 425-615-1413 <(425)%20615-1413> (text ok)
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>>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 12:29 PM, Jeff Ford <jeffford at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Also to whoever is responsible for the flyer, a reminder that the
>>> language about midchart will need to be updated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 9:29 AM Jeff Ford <jeffford at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What's the full schedule? Is it still based off a 10 & 3 like this years
>>> or are we back to afternoon/evening?
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 8:41 AM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Friday night, 7:30....get your teams together, and get everyone else
>>> into the hunt.
>>>
>>> Let the fun events continue!
>>>
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>>>
>>> cheers,
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>>> Ann Romeo
>>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
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