[SBU Board] NLLM Spring Sectional

[JC Chupack]

I do happen to know a good bit about this but only because I researched
single vs. double session and the reasoning behind them, not so much
related to tournament events comm.

So, here we go again into the storm... :D  I'm CCing Jenni so she can
correct me if I say anything wrong here, as I'm an "armchair ref" and she's
the real deal. :)

We do not have the option to deny a single session entry for a two session
event.  We did not "run a single session Swiss"...we indicated that single
session entries are okay, and in fact, we are required to accept single
session entries by the ACBL.

If we had run a single session Swiss instead, they might receive overall
awards.  The reason they didn't is because we ran a two session, and they
only played one session.  The same disadvantage applies when players enter
a 2-session pairs as a single session entry.

FWIW, this is why I think putting "single session entry OK" on flyers is a
bad idea. Historically, we have put this on the NLM flyers (as far back as
I have archives of flyers), probably because NLM players often want to play
one session.  But a single session entry into a two session event is a
terrible thing to do to players.  It is not a state we should encourage but
rather support when players request it.

My view is that if players want single session events, we should run single
session events.  The criticism that we're cheating players out of the value
of their entry by having them enter two session events with a single
session entry is valid.  If our belief is that NLM events will have lots of
people wanting to play single session, we should make the events single
session rather than boldly stating "single session entry OK" on flyers.

JC

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On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Tim White <trkwhite at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi JC,
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> Please read the email string below.  Two players in the NLM on Sunday were
> disappointed with the awards for the single session Swiss, unaware that the
> event does not award overalls.  We'll need to respond to them.  In doing so
> we should consider whether and what to say about the destiny of this event
> going forward, and/or whether clarification on the flyer is enough.
> Perhaps your experience/knowledge from the events committee would be
> helpful in this consideration.
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> Thanks,
> Tim
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> *From: *Jennifer Carmichael <jenni.carmichael at acbl.org>
> *Subject: **Fwd: Re: Fwd: NLLM Spring Sectional*
> *Date: *May 9, 2017 7:50:00 PM PDT
> *To: *Tim White <trkwhite at gmail.com>
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> From: Patti McCallum
> Sent: Monday, May 8, 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Fwd: NLLM Spring Sectional
> To: Ann Romeo
> Cc: Jennifer Carmichael
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> We can not do a single session swiss again.  They were very unhappy.
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> Monday, 08 May 2017, 09:46AM -07:00 from Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com>:
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> I think we need a clean, clear explanation for these gentlemen.  I
> understand what they don't get....the ranking doesn't hold unless it holds
> throughout the 6 round event.  Playing single session Swiss does not award
> you the results of a full session swiss.  They did win something, for
> winning a round, but not the total match awards--they did not play the
> total match.
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> We needed to be clear about why they shouldn't have played single session
> swiss, and really, probably not offer that in the future.
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Rodney Waldbaum* <rwaldbaum at lesourd.com>
> Date: Mon, May 8, 2017 at 12:33 PM
> Subject: RE: NLLM Spring Sectional
> To: Ted Klastorin <tedkuw at gmail.com>, annromeo at gmail.com,
> pattimcbridge at gmail.com
> Cc: Steve & Anya Levy-Smith <stevenlevy at hotmail.com>, Carl Berkenwald <
> berkenwald at comcast.net>
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> Ann and Patti,
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> I agree with Ted, we do appreciate all of your efforts.
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> Our team played 24 boards in an 11 table Swiss team event.   For the
> morning session, we were first in C, tied for first in B, and tied for
> second in A.  We should receive master points based on that.   Those that
> ply both sessions are eligible for greater points because they are being
> scored based on 48 boards.  If that is not the case, it should be clear
> before our team invests our time, effort and $40 registration fee.
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> Rodney Waldbaum
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> *From:* Ted Klastorin [mailto:tedkuw at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 7, 2017 9:57 PM
> *To:* annromeo at gmail.com; pattimcbridge at gmail.com
> *Cc:* Steve & Anya Levy-Smith <stevenlevy at hotmail.com>; Rodney J.
> Waldbaum <rwaldbaum at lesourd.com>; Carl Berkenwald <berkenwald at comcast.net>
> *Subject:* NLLM Spring Sectional
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> Hi Ann and Patti:
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> Thanks for co-chairing the NLM Spring Sectional this weekend at the
> Seattle Bridge Center.  I know that these tournaments take a lot of work
> and those of us who play greatly appreciate your efforts.
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> However, I have to protest one item.  The Swiss pairs today were
> advertised as either a single session or a double session (see attached)..
> But the scoring was done only for the double session; it appears that our
> score was calculated as a zero for the second session (we could not play
> the second session).  If that is true, please make this clear in future
> flyers; if we had been aware of this scoring, we would have simply played
> pairs.  At least, please indicate in the final scoring the teams that only
> played one session.
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> Ted Klastorin
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