The systemd madness

[Lonni J Friedman]

As long as modern = currentYear - 10, then sure.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Collins <crichey at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've still got the t-shirt. Has Slackware ever gotten around to anything modern?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 19, 2015, at 5:37 AM, Ben Duncan <bns at meta3.net> wrote:
>>
>> There is ALWAYS Slackware :>
>>
>>> On 03/18/2015 11:06 AM, Jay Nugent wrote:
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 18 Mar 2015, Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are we losing the ability and control to write our own init scripts?
>>>> Are we being forced to work with other people... just like selinux?
>>>
>>>   A'yup!   The snot-nosed, pimply-faced kids have lost sight of the UNIX
>>> philosophy of "Do just one thing really really really really well". Systemd has
>>> turned into a giant monolithic piece of binary code that YOU have NO control
>>> over, and sadly, changes CONSTANTLY.  There seems to be no end to systemd's
>>> takeover of init (which was the goal - for faster booting by parralellizing
>>> processes), but also logging, time keeping, and more. It is almost like a virus
>>> in the way it is taking over our free control of our own systems.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I remember how simple SysV init scripts are...
>>>
>>>
>>>    When I was teaching UNIX/Linux System Administration at a local Community
>>> College, I stressed the UNIX Philosophy and would quite easily teach them the
>>> SysV startup process.  The stoodies absorded this process effortlessly.  But
>>> then when I would introduce them to the New-and-Improved systemd, their eyes
>>> rolled back, their heads would spin, and vomit would spew out of their mouths
>>> (picture a certain syfi movie of the 70's). They absolutely *HATED* it !!!
>>>
>>>    It is madness, plain and simple.  If the goal was to launch more processes
>>> at the same time to make boot-up faster, then give more processes the same S##
>>> number.  WTF?!?!  It is EASY to tell the order of boot up using SysV - not so in
>>> systemd.  It is EASY to tell what processes will be [K]illed and which will be
>>> [S]tarted in any run level.  It is EASY to know what runlevel you will be in at
>>> boot time (/etc/inittab) and just as easy to telinit to a new runlevel as needed
>>> during maintenance.  It used to be EASY to spawn an stty at boot time, now it is
>>> a major cluster-F to do it under systemd, and it only support two modes (single
>>> & multi).
>>>
>>>    Systemd is making me seriously think of bailing on Linux and going back to
>>> BSD :(
>>>
>>>
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>>
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