The systemd madness

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I've still got the t-shirt. Has Slackware ever gotten around to anything modern?

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> On Mar 19, 2015, at 5:37 AM, Ben Duncan <bns at meta3.net> wrote:
> 
> There is ALWAYS Slackware :>
> 
>> On 03/18/2015 11:06 AM, Jay Nugent wrote:
>> Greetings,
>> 
>>> On Wed, 18 Mar 2015, Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Are we losing the ability and control to write our own init scripts?
>>> Are we being forced to work with other people... just like selinux?
>> 
>>   A'yup!   The snot-nosed, pimply-faced kids have lost sight of the UNIX
>> philosophy of "Do just one thing really really really really well". Systemd has
>> turned into a giant monolithic piece of binary code that YOU have NO control
>> over, and sadly, changes CONSTANTLY.  There seems to be no end to systemd's
>> takeover of init (which was the goal - for faster booting by parralellizing
>> processes), but also logging, time keeping, and more. It is almost like a virus
>> in the way it is taking over our free control of our own systems.
>> 
>> 
>>> I remember how simple SysV init scripts are...
>> 
>> 
>>    When I was teaching UNIX/Linux System Administration at a local Community
>> College, I stressed the UNIX Philosophy and would quite easily teach them the
>> SysV startup process.  The stoodies absorded this process effortlessly.  But
>> then when I would introduce them to the New-and-Improved systemd, their eyes
>> rolled back, their heads would spin, and vomit would spew out of their mouths
>> (picture a certain syfi movie of the 70's). They absolutely *HATED* it !!!
>> 
>>    It is madness, plain and simple.  If the goal was to launch more processes
>> at the same time to make boot-up faster, then give more processes the same S##
>> number.  WTF?!?!  It is EASY to tell the order of boot up using SysV - not so in
>> systemd.  It is EASY to tell what processes will be [K]illed and which will be
>> [S]tarted in any run level.  It is EASY to know what runlevel you will be in at
>> boot time (/etc/inittab) and just as easy to telinit to a new runlevel as needed
>> during maintenance.  It used to be EASY to spawn an stty at boot time, now it is
>> a major cluster-F to do it under systemd, and it only support two modes (single
>> & multi).
>> 
>>    Systemd is making me seriously think of bailing on Linux and going back to
>> BSD :(
>> 
>> 
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