OT: Fwd: New Product: Win4Lin Home, and Special Offer

Tue Feb 1 15:19:14 PST 2005

On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 21:58, Matthew Carpenter wrote:
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> I read this to mean something akin to VMWare's Virtual Networking, where
> VMWare allows you to create virtual network segments within your system
> and determine which network(s) a virtual machine lives on.  This can
> mean you run a VM which can *only* talk to your host system, or run
> networking through NAT on your host system.

I think this is what it is. Not something I use.

> Although given what little I know about Win4lin, this seems a little
> much, though.  Does Win4lin run windows apps like in a VM like VMWare or
> along side Linux apps like Wine?

More like VMware and Wine... That is, win4lin requires (and manages your
doing) a complete install of 98 or ME in a Linux directory. It runs
Windows as a Linux process. It can run in it's own virtual terminal or
in an X window which then allows cut and paste between Linux and Windows
apps. When running in an X window, it installs a display driver in your
Windows install to allow this. Actually works very well. 

It basically intercepts some device accesses. But programs run as they
would on a 'pure' windows box. It is not an emulation, I even do a
Windows update from IE. It does not know it is all somewhere in a Linux
process. VMware, OTOH, runs Linux and Windows side by side, no?

> 
> Is this like coLinux for Windows, where the Linux Kernel runs along-side
> the Windows kernel?
> 
> Is this a better option than Wine or Crossover Office?  and why?

Better in that most all Windows apps run. Even some DirectX games now
run. This is because Windows as delivered from MS is still running and
controlling your app. Wine/crossover replace windows dlls with their
own, eliminating the need for Windows. Of course, wine lets you use
original windows dll as well, but the Windows environment is simply not
there.

If Win4lin has any drawback,it is that it cannot run NT or its
derivatives, like XP. It is not that I want XP, but I want XP apps like
iTunes. 

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> Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> | On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 16:53, Ken Moffat wrote:
> |
> |>Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> |>
> |>
> |>>Those b*st*rds! I waited a few months to upgrade from a 2.4 to a 2.6
> |>>kernel on my home computer because I needed to upgrade my Win4Lin to do
> |>>so. So, last month or so, I shelled out the $90 for Win4lin 5. They were
> |>>probably waiting for me before making the announcement. Still, it does
> |>>as advertised. My wife gets to do banking, which is the only reason we
> |>>have it. The product is solid and worth considering if you need to run a
> |>>few Windows programs.
> |>>
> |>>
> |>>
> |>
> |>Ths lack of windows networking and remote printing might be a problem
> |>for many.
> |>
> |>Maybe I'm confused. What does the full version version do regarding
> |>networking that lite does not? Here is the comparison from the web page:
> |>
> |>#
> |>lite version: Winsock 2 Networking
> |>
> |>full version: Winsock 2 networking or VNET with virtual network card
> |>and second IP address support for Microsoft networking
> |
> |
> | Normal winsock does all normal stuff. Your browser and e-mail will work.
> | I do not use VNET. If you are accessing remote shares in the Linux host
> | via samba, they are available to win4lin, who is none-the-wiser and sees
> | them as local files. VNET must be for special network situations,
> | perhaps not running TCP/IP.
> |
> | If a remote printer is set up via samba and the normal linux printer
> | queue, win2lin will see it. The remote printint is only if you expect
> | windows to set up a printer interface on its own.
> |
> |
> |>#
> |>
> |>I don't know what the added functionality does.
> |>
> |>ken
> |>
> |>
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