Skippy Well, a lump of wood, coal or putty will not spin up, Doctor I confirm , from a long distance, your diagnoses. <g> We have new drives very sheap here, IDE of course. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 res005ru at gte.net Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust!