[SBU Board] Revised Harvest Sectional flyer - for board review ASAP

Wed Jun 5 13:00:12 PDT 2019

I agree Ann

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 11:47 AM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have played in the qualifier for several years, and have always 'paid'
> for two sessions at the start of the event.  As any two-session event, I
> have my seat assignment for the second session posted.
> I am under the impression that if one did not play in the first session,
> one can buy into the consolation pairs (the second session), but everyone
> who plays in the qualifier buys for both sessions--you can chose not to
> play in the consolation, but you do not get a refund!
> This is not like a KO....
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> Ann Romeo
> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
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> Work email: Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com
> Work direct dial: 212-463-6331
> My cell: 425-615-1413 (text ok)
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> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 10:33 AM JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> If we are forcing people to pay for 2-sessions even though ~half of them
>> won't get to play a true 2-session event, I'm strongly opposed to this
>> event format. But, I don't think that's the case. For NABC events that have
>> qualifiers, you don't have to pay for the whole event to play the first
>> day...you buy a new entry if you qualify (just like a KO round), so I have
>> trouble believing that is the structure being applied at a sectional.
>>
>> For what it's worth, I looked back to 2015, 2016, and 2017 flyers. We've
>> never treated the qual/final/consolation as a 2-session event on the
>> flyers. The consolation was noted as a single session event.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 10:09 AM Mike Christensen <quirk_1 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe we have always purchased a 2
>>> session entry at the time of purchase for the qualifying pairs.
>>>
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>>> I believe that if you wish to be eligible for the 2nd session of a 2
>>> session event, you have to purchase a 2 session entry at the time of
>>> purchase.  The consolation pairs is not a separate event.  It is for those
>>> that purchased a 2 session entry and did not qualify.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can decline to play in the 2nd session, qualified or not, doesn’t
>>> matter, inform the director and they will make adjustments as needed, but
>>> you do not get your money back(same as a normal 2 session pairs event) and
>>> you certainly do not get to make that decision after you did or did not
>>> qualify.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can purchase a single session entry at the time of purchase, but you
>>> do not get to play in the finals, regardless if you qualified and change
>>> your mind.  You can buy into the consolation pairs if you want, as can
>>> anyone.
>>>
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>>> *To:* Seattle ACBL Unit Board
>>> *Subject:* Re: [SBU Board] Revised Harvest Sectional flyer - for board
>>> review ASAP
>>>
>>> Carryover noted. I had missed that on the prior events and will correct
>>> to:
>>> (About half the field will qualify, up to two board carry-over)
>>>
>>> The Consolation pairs is a separate single session event. I'm *not *okay
>>> changing the wording on that.  Open pairs participants are not required to
>>> play in, nor pay for, the consolation pairs if they fail to qualify. (I'm
>>> not sure forcing them to enter it is even an option allowed by the event
>>> type.)
>>>
>>> I'd like to hear opinions on Monty's suggestion re: changing the title
>>> of the Swiss?  I'm okay with whatever change we make to the title...I'm all
>>> for making as low-confusion as possible.
>>>
>>> JC
>>>
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>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 8:16 PM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> yes the consolation game is stratified.
>>>> Ann Romeo
>>>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
>>>> Local home: 206-526-0871
>>>> Work email: Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com
>>>> Work direct dial: 212-463-6331
>>>> My cell: 425-615-1413 (text ok)
>>>>
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>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 6:00 PM Raymond Miller <raysmiller at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Agree with Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2019, 5:11 PM Mike Christensen <quirk_1 at hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Qualifying pairs traditionally has a 2 board carry over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Evidence
>>>>>> http://live.acbl.org/event/1710186/2801/2/recap
>>>>>> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flive.acbl.org%2Fevent%2F1710186%2F2801%2F2%2Frecap&data=02%7C01%7C%7C8833688b65654231320608d6e9d399f4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636953492363442053&sdata=kA0klrK5fnjSXrb7MAsWOw6qaOfFdP88yUx0%2BIGmiHY%3D&reserved=0>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Also, the director will often qualify enough pairs to get to a good
>>>>>> movement, which is generally more but can occasionally be slightly less
>>>>>> than half the field.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suggest changing
>>>>>> Open Pairs Qualifier (50% of the field will qualify for the finals,
>>>>>> no carry-over)
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> Open Pairs Qualifier (About half the field will qualify for the
>>>>>> finals, two board carry-over)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And to emphasis that the consolation pairs entry is included with the
>>>>>> qualification pairs buy in
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stratified Consolation Pairs (single session)
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> Stratified Consolation Pairs (single session buy in ok)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> *From:* Sbuboard <sbuboard-bounces+quirk_1=
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>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 4:55 PM
>>>>>> *To:* Seattle ACBL Unit Board
>>>>>> *Subject:* [SBU Board] Revised Harvest Sectional flyer - for board
>>>>>> review ASAP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Mike & Monty* - please check closely & let me know if you would
>>>>>> like any changes. *(Monty confirmed he had volunteered as Lane's
>>>>>> replacement for this one. Thanks, Monty!)*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *All board members* - please help double-check for typos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Note to all* - I called Sunday's event a "Stratified Matchpoint
>>>>>> (BAM) Swiss" instead of just calling it a BAM Swiss, to try to reduce
>>>>>> confusion with the less-popular BAM Teams event, per someone's (not sure
>>>>>> who? apologies for lack of credit) suggestion from last night. I have no
>>>>>> idea if the ACBL will be okay with that wording or not, but we'll see after
>>>>>> we submit. From some casual chat with TDs, it seems like it should be okay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Please review ASAP. Barring any responses telling me otherwise, I
>>>>>> will submit to the ACBL tomorrow evening.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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