[SBU Board] Revised Harvest Sectional flyer - for board review ASAP

Wed Jun 5 12:12:08 PDT 2019

I am fine with the wording of Single Session, my suggested change was only to clarify the point of contention, as we lost the full description of the event, if you can somehow include that again with the flyer that would be nice, however it isn't a big deal if there isn't enough room(bam description is more important)

So lets update the flyer with the change to the description for the Swiss BAM and the Qualifying pairs round.

We can continue to discuss the actual conditions of contest in a more leisurely manner as need be, but I would like to point out that the reason we call it a Consolation pairs is to distinguish it from a normal single session event(such as a single session swiss game to provide for an event for those that got knocked out of the KO events, where they do have to pay in again).  This is even discussed at
https://www.acbl.org/tournaments_page/general-information/explanation-of-events/pair-games-explained/

I will consult with Jeff, but I do not believe we should hold up the flyer based on his response.

________________________________
From: Sbuboard <sbuboard-bounces+quirk_1=hotmail.com at mailman.celestial.com> on behalf of Raymond Miller <raysmiller at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 11:48 AM
To: Seattle ACBL Unit Board
Subject: Re: [SBU Board] Revised Harvest Sectional flyer - for board review ASAP

The Consolation pairs is a separate single session event. I'm not okay changing the wording on that.  Open pairs participants are not required to play in, nor pay for, the consolation pairs if they fail to qualify. (I'm not sure forcing them to enter it is even an option allowed by the event type.)

What can I say to this?   Do we need to take another vote?   This is just factually wrong.  We have run this event for several years.  It was originally put together with the support and approval of Matt Koltenow. (You can confirm this with Matt or with Jeff Ford, who was also on that committee. as I was).   It has always been sold as a 2 session event.  The comment about events at national does not apply because there is no event at Nationals that runs as a qualifier and consolation, in those events if you do not qualify you are out period.  The board voted for this event to be run at the Fall sectional, in the same manner it has always been run.  If the board wishes to reconsider,  fine, but if the board does not reconsider, then the flyer should be change to advertise the event we voted to run.  PERIOD.

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 9:33 AM JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com<mailto:jc.chupack at gmail.com>> wrote:
Carryover noted. I had missed that on the prior events and will correct to:
(About half the field will qualify, up to two board carry-over)

The Consolation pairs is a separate single session event. I'm not okay changing the wording on that.  Open pairs participants are not required to play in, nor pay for, the consolation pairs if they fail to qualify. (I'm not sure forcing them to enter it is even an option allowed by the event type.)

I'd like to hear opinions on Monty's suggestion re: changing the title of the Swiss?  I'm okay with whatever change we make to the title...I'm all for making as low-confusion as possible.

JC

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 8:16 PM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com<mailto:annromeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
yes the consolation game is stratified.
Ann Romeo
Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com<mailto:annromeo at gmail.com>
Local home: 206-526-0871
Work email: Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com<mailto:Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com>
Work direct dial: 212-463-6331
My cell: 425-615-1413 (text ok)

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 6:00 PM Raymond Miller <raysmiller at gmail.com<mailto:raysmiller at gmail.com>> wrote:
Agree with Mike

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019, 5:11 PM Mike Christensen <quirk_1 at hotmail.com<mailto:quirk_1 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Qualifying pairs traditionally has a 2 board carry over.

Evidence
http://live.acbl.org/event/1710186/2801/2/recap<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flive.acbl.org%2Fevent%2F1710186%2F2801%2F2%2Frecap&data=02%7C01%7C%7C390175f31f4645b4c47308d6e9e67f99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636953573520649637&sdata=HDvUxz6mrTqdus7%2FkrRzE2Xs%2BkAVvkYZGUBVQH5Tbr8%3D&reserved=0>

Also, the director will often qualify enough pairs to get to a good movement, which is generally more but can occasionally be slightly less than half the field.

Suggest changing
Open Pairs Qualifier (50% of the field will qualify for the finals, no carry-over)
to
Open Pairs Qualifier (About half the field will qualify for the finals, two board carry-over)

And to emphasis that the consolation pairs entry is included with the qualification pairs buy in

Stratified Consolation Pairs (single session)
to
Stratified Consolation Pairs (single session buy in ok)

________________________________
From: Sbuboard <sbuboard-bounces+quirk_1=hotmail.com at mailman.celestial.com<mailto:hotmail.com at mailman.celestial.com>> on behalf of JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com<mailto:jc.chupack at gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 4:55 PM
To: Seattle ACBL Unit Board
Subject: [SBU Board] Revised Harvest Sectional flyer - for board review ASAP

Mike & Monty - please check closely & let me know if you would like any changes. (Monty confirmed he had volunteered as Lane's replacement for this one. Thanks, Monty!)

All board members - please help double-check for typos.

Note to all - I called Sunday's event a "Stratified Matchpoint (BAM) Swiss" instead of just calling it a BAM Swiss, to try to reduce confusion with the less-popular BAM Teams event, per someone's (not sure who? apologies for lack of credit) suggestion from last night. I have no idea if the ACBL will be okay with that wording or not, but we'll see after we submit. From some casual chat with TDs, it seems like it should be okay.

Please review ASAP. Barring any responses telling me otherwise, I will submit to the ACBL tomorrow evening.

--
JC Chupack
* Seattle ACBL Unit 446<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bridgeinseattle.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C390175f31f4645b4c47308d6e9e67f99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636953573520659636&sdata=lVXk3j9EB0HaA1YB0znJj9KdoSq2OCKP%2Fmyyk5HP1VA%3D&reserved=0> Vice President, Electronic Contact, & Publicity Chair
* Sr. Product Manager, Softlines Ad Tech, Amazon Advertising<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fadvertising.amazon.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C390175f31f4645b4c47308d6e9e67f99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636953573520669641&sdata=cxbviwwLnyR5NJNSLfA0uObpvkRVVCYfeIUWRsK5se4%3D&reserved=0>

_______________________________________________
Sbuboard mailing list
Sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com<mailto:Sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com>
http://mailman.celestial.com/mailman/listinfo/sbuboard<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.celestial.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fsbuboard&data=02%7C01%7C%7C390175f31f4645b4c47308d6e9e67f99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636953573520679658&sdata=l%2F5X7hgIjOS1CMVwhvOJj4IYaW5%2B57uQd%2BKtRmhf8RQ%3D&reserved=0>
_______________________________________________
Sbuboard mailing list
Sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com<mailto:Sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com>
http://mailman.celestial.com/mailman/listinfo/sbuboard<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.celestial.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fsbuboard&data=02%7C01%7C%7C390175f31f4645b4c47308d6e9e67f99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636953573520689663&sdata=u51Uaoa%2BmFRQ21ajm5ELBg%2Fljdo%2FHuuDVajPdrf5X74%3D&reserved=0>
_______________________________________________
Sbuboard mailing list
Sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com<mailto:Sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com>
http://mailman.celestial.com/mailman/listinfo/sbuboard<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.celestial.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fsbuboard&data=02%7C01%7C%7C390175f31f4645b4c47308d6e9e67f99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636953573520699674&sdata=pFnQTxYdiIIL8KoUA4FTn4XW2FEnxhw80FO3N7F8ES0%3D&reserved=0>

--
JC Chupack
* Seattle ACBL Unit 446<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bridgeinseattle.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C390175f31f4645b4c47308d6e9e67f99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636953573520709691&sdata=%2Bozqe8gEdUCltBhlyPkGDN4mAR8kWfTryn8WGEKOh2c%3D&reserved=0> Vice President, Electronic Contact, & Publicity Chair
* Sr. Product Manager, Softlines Ad Tech, Amazon Advertising<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fadvertising.amazon.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C390175f31f4645b4c47308d6e9e67f99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636953573520719684&sdata=uY1Vhg%2FrR7WIEZKOUn5mC2h4OlXZ3RmTjgCp1m2%2FK3s%3D&reserved=0>

_______________________________________________
Sbuboard mailing list
Sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com<mailto:Sbuboard at mailman.celestial.com>
http://mailman.celestial.com/mailman/listinfo/sbuboard<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.celestial.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fsbuboard&data=02%7C01%7C%7C390175f31f4645b4c47308d6e9e67f99%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636953573520729695&sdata=8lpWGrbf3HABgSUeuKdAqjwRCI9ODqCMBtc2DYQud6Y%3D&reserved=0>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://mailman.celestial.com/mailman/private/sbuboard/attachments/20190605/c89935db/attachment-0001.html>