[SBU Board] fyi--single session BAM back on the schedule atSweetheart Sectional
William Campbell
jwccsllc at me.com
Mon Sep 10 10:25:13 PDT 2018
On Sep 10, 2018, at 8:39 AM, JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yep, I agree with Monty's points. Also, we always lose money on meals, and the intent of the 3 session day was never supposed to be that the majority of people play all three sessions. (We know there's some race-obsessed people who will do it, but they can also take care of themselves because they know what they're getting into.) The reason for the third session is to provide working players an option for Friday. If the belief is that working players won't come out for Friday evening for any event, then we should kill the third session. We already know they won't come out for fast pairs.
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> The KO makes much more sense for the BAM, IMO, so I'm fine with moving it there.
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> I'm in favor of killing the third session; I was in that camp at the meeting. If there's a pervasive interest in keeping it, I don't object to keeping it with a regular open pairs event. Fast pairs clearly isn't of interest. (It's not like people decided not to come knowing it wouldn't be a real fast pairs...that error didn't change attendance, only satisfaction.)
Me too.
Why did we go from the afternoon/evening two-session format for Vasa Park? This allows working people to play both sessions taking a half-day off work. IIRC, the Friday evening sessions had about 40% fewer tables than the afternoon, but that's a lot better than 8 tables as we had in the Fast Pairs last year.
I don't know many people who play 3-sessions at Regionals or Nationals in any case. When the main games are morning/afternoon, it takes a hardy player to do both then do the evening session.
No event in February here can be considered "Daylight" as sunset is around 5:15pm.
I think that afternoon/evening makes more sense than morning/afternoon, or morning/afternoon/evening
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> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 8:22 AM, John Weinberg <judgejohn at msn.com> wrote:
> I agree with Monty and Tim.
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> Subject: Re: [SBU Board] Fwd: fyi--single session BAM back on the schedule atSweetheart Sectional
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> I concur with Monty’s points.
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> On Sep 10, 2018, at 7:09 AM, Monty Gray <mlgrayjr at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I’m OK with having BAM on Friday night of the KO if that’s what people want to do. I’m not in favor of a third-session fast pairs event in the Spring.
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> We’ve tried that, it didn’t work even when people expected the fast pairs would be fast, and I don’t think a pizza will solve the problem.
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> Some of us don’t like three-session days, some of us don’t much like fast pairs, and some don’t want to or can’t drive at night. Between those three things, I suspect that a third session for fast pairs will always be a money-loser, as well as needlessly exhausting for the tournament chairs and directing staff.
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> Subject: Re: [SBU Board] Fwd: fyi--single session BAM back on the schedule atSweetheart Sectional
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> After talking with Jeff tonight, I would like to propose to the board a different event schedule for Vasa (and then also for the Memorial Day KO).
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> Basically: put FAST PAIRS back on the docket for the thirds session at Vasa for 7:30. AND have a pizza and salad meal ($5.00) for the HOUR we have between the second and third session. AND make sure Fast pairs are really fast pairs. (this will be doable, esp with Tom on the board helping...)
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> Move the single session BAM to Friday night of the KO sectional in May.
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> Among the problems with the BAM at Vasa at the Sweetheart:
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> first no time to eat if you are playing in the earlier two session event, and
> second, the session the next day on Saturday is early. BAM needs to be done when we have a later starting time the next day.
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> I'd like to have some email discussion amongst us all, and then a vote Monday by 3:00. Thoughts?
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> Thanks for considering all of this.
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> On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 10:32 PM, JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hey Ann - since the mail exchange was b/w you and Jeff, could you find out what test he thinks would be "the right way to do it"? His comment doesn't make a ton of sense to me, since this is exactly where the BAM was previously...and it's the session most likely to draw BAMmers (vs. an afternoon or morning where you get more novice/intermediate players).
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> We wouldn't be the first sectional to make a late-breaking schedule change if there's something that makes more sense here that the board agrees with, but we'd need to know very quickly.
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> On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 7:28 AM, Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
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> FYI...
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> From: Jeff Ford <jeffford at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 9:48 AM
> Subject: Re: fyi--single session BAM back on the schedule at Sweetheart Sectional
> To: Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com>
> Cc: Kim Eng <kimlieng7 at gmail.com>
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> I am worried that this event will have incredibly low turnout given its scheduling - the "fast" pairs wasn't very large last year in the same time slot - and then this will be taken as evidence that "people don't like BAM". I appreciate that the board is trying to get one back on the schedule, but I don't think this is the right way to do it.
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> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 10:30 AM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Yep, we know about the midchart issue.
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> The BAM will be at 7:30, and yes there will be two session pairs at 10:30 and 3:00.
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> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 12:29 PM, Jeff Ford <jeffford at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Also to whoever is responsible for the flyer, a reminder that the language about midchart will need to be updated.
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> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 9:29 AM Jeff Ford <jeffford at gmail.com> wrote:
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> What's the full schedule? Is it still based off a 10 & 3 like this years or are we back to afternoon/evening?
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> On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 8:41 AM Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Friday night, 7:30....get your teams together, and get everyone else into the hunt.
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> Let the fun events continue!
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