[SBU Board] NLLM Spring Sectional

Wed May 17 10:27:44 PDT 2017

And for goodwill purposes we might consider offering the complainants a
free play at an upcoming sectional.
that should help provide a bit of goodwill on our part.

romeo

Ann Romeo
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On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Jennifer Carmichael <
jenni.carmichael at acbl.org> wrote:

> The ACBL does not require that we accept single session entries for a
> Swiss. We should do that when running 2 session pair events otherwise you
> are turning people away and losing business. But we do not, nor should we
> (imho), be offering single session "ok" events for the Swiss.
>
> Jenni
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> *From:* JC Chupack <jc.chupack at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 8:01:39 AM
> *To:* Tim White
> *Cc:* Seattle ACBL Unit Board; Jennifer Carmichael
> *Subject:* Re: NLLM Spring Sectional
>
> I do happen to know a good bit about this but only because I researched
> single vs. double session and the reasoning behind them, not so much
> related to tournament events comm.
>
> So, here we go again into the storm... :D  I'm CCing Jenni so she can
> correct me if I say anything wrong here, as I'm an "armchair ref" and she's
> the real deal. :)
>
> We do not have the option to deny a single session entry for a two session
> event.  We did not "run a single session Swiss"...we indicated that single
> session entries are okay, and in fact, we are required to accept single
> session entries by the ACBL.
>
> If we had run a single session Swiss instead, they might receive overall
> awards.  The reason they didn't is because we ran a two session, and they
> only played one session.  The same disadvantage applies when players enter
> a 2-session pairs as a single session entry.
>
> FWIW, this is why I think putting "single session entry OK" on flyers is a
> bad idea. Historically, we have put this on the NLM flyers (as far back as
> I have archives of flyers), probably because NLM players often want to play
> one session.  But a single session entry into a two session event is a
> terrible thing to do to players.  It is not a state we should encourage but
> rather support when players request it.
>
> My view is that if players want single session events, we should run
> single session events.  The criticism that we're cheating players out of
> the value of their entry by having them enter two session events with a
> single session entry is valid.  If our belief is that NLM events will have
> lots of people wanting to play single session, we should make the events
> single session rather than boldly stating "single session entry OK" on
> flyers.
>
> JC
>
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> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:10 PM, Tim White <trkwhite at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi JC,
>>
>> Please read the email string below.  Two players in the NLM on Sunday
>> were disappointed with the awards for the single session Swiss, unaware
>> that the event does not award overalls.  We'll need to respond to them.  In
>> doing so we should consider whether and what to say about the destiny of
>> this event going forward, and/or whether clarification on the flyer is
>> enough.  Perhaps your experience/knowledge from the events committee would
>> be helpful in this consideration.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From: *Jennifer Carmichael <jenni.carmichael at acbl.org>
>> *Subject: **Fwd: Re: Fwd: NLLM Spring Sectional*
>> *Date: *May 9, 2017 7:50:00 PM PDT
>> *To: *Tim White <trkwhite at gmail.com>
>>
>>
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>> From: Patti McCallum
>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 3:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: Fwd: NLLM Spring Sectional
>> To: Ann Romeo
>> Cc: Jennifer Carmichael
>>
>>
>> We can not do a single session swiss again.  They were very unhappy.
>>
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>>
>> Monday, 08 May 2017, 09:46AM -07:00 from Ann Romeo <annromeo at gmail.com>:
>>
>> I think we need a clean, clear explanation for these gentlemen.  I
>> understand what they don't get....the ranking doesn't hold unless it holds
>> throughout the 6 round event.  Playing single session Swiss does not award
>> you the results of a full session swiss.  They did win something, for
>> winning a round, but not the total match awards--they did not play the
>> total match.
>>
>>
>> We needed to be clear about why they shouldn't have played single session
>> swiss, and really, probably not offer that in the future.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ann Romeo
>> Personal email: annromeo at gmail.com
>>
>> Local home: 425-392-8417 <(425)%20392-8417>
>> Work email: Ann.Romeo at ORCInternational.com
>>
>> Work direct dial: 212-463-6331 <(212)%20463-6331>
>>
>> My cell: 425-615-1413 <(425)%20615-1413> (text ok)
>>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Rodney Waldbaum* <rwaldbaum at lesourd.com>
>> Date: Mon, May 8, 2017 at 12:33 PM
>> Subject: RE: NLLM Spring Sectional
>> To: Ted Klastorin <tedkuw at gmail.com>, annromeo at gmail.com,
>> pattimcbridge at gmail.com
>> Cc: Steve & Anya Levy-Smith <stevenlevy at hotmail.com>, Carl Berkenwald <
>> berkenwald at comcast.net>
>>
>>
>> Ann and Patti,
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with Ted, we do appreciate all of your efforts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our team played 24 boards in an 11 table Swiss team event.   For the
>> morning session, we were first in C, tied for first in B, and tied for
>> second in A.  We should receive master points based on that.   Those that
>> ply both sessions are eligible for greater points because they are being
>> scored based on 48 boards.  If that is not the case, it should be clear
>> before our team invests our time, effort and $40 registration fee.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rodney Waldbaum
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>> *From:* Ted Klastorin [mailto:tedkuw at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 7, 2017 9:57 PM
>> *To:* annromeo at gmail.com; pattimcbridge at gmail.com
>> *Cc:* Steve & Anya Levy-Smith <stevenlevy at hotmail.com>; Rodney J.
>> Waldbaum <rwaldbaum at lesourd.com>; Carl Berkenwald <berkenwald at comcast.net
>> >
>> *Subject:* NLLM Spring Sectional
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Ann and Patti:
>>
>> Thanks for co-chairing the NLM Spring Sectional this weekend at the
>> Seattle Bridge Center.  I know that these tournaments take a lot of work
>> and those of us who play greatly appreciate your efforts.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, I have to protest one item.  The Swiss pairs today were
>> advertised as either a single session or a double session (see attached)..
>> But the scoring was done only for the double session; it appears that our
>> score was calculated as a zero for the second session (we could not play
>> the second session).  If that is true, please make this clear in future
>> flyers; if we had been aware of this scoring, we would have simply played
>> pairs.  At least, please indicate in the final scoring the teams that only
>> played one session.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ted Klastorin
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