<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Collins Richey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:crichey@gmail.com">crichey@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
2009/11/28 Man-wai Chang <<a href="mailto:toylet@changmw.com">toylet@changmw.com</a>>:<br>
<div class="im">>> If you say so. Testing stays more or less current and there's always<br>
>> unstable. OTOH, when you have a bunch of customers with Asterisk<br>
>> servers who scream if their phones aren't working (because phones just<br>
>> work), conservative and stable is good.<br>
>><br>
>> I have some automated scripts that keep everything up to date, and<br>
>> having a bunch of different machines complicates things, so I stick to<br>
>> Debian.<br>
><br>
> I think people should always trust the software developers. If you<br>
> didn't, you should not have included it. Backporting is less than<br>
> satisfactory.<br>
><br>
> Does Debian really make it easy to use latest and hottest packages?<br>
</div>> Unstable?<br>
><br>
<br>
Hmm! Latest and hottest packages? Not really.<br>
<br>
I've been running Debian unstable (sidux) for a couple of years, but<br>
unstable is fairly slow to adopt anything hot and untested. You would<br>
need Debian experimental for that, and your customers would not be<br>
very happy with that choice.<br>
<br>
Examples: php 5.3 has been out for some time, but unstable is still at<br>
5.2.11. It took many months for kde 4 to appear in unstable.<br>
<br>
I'm not aware of any distro that is stable enough for general use that<br>
offers "latest and hottest " packages. Either you are content with<br>
dealing with frequent outages, or you step back to "fairly recent and<br>
usable". Debian unstable (It's really quite stable. I've only<br>
encountered a couple of glitches in 2 years.) is an excellent choice<br>
in that category if you can live with frequent updates.<br>
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of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">I've been running a debian 'stable' server for several years at home, doing updates regularly, and it runs flawlessly. Zero problems. But stable is quite out of date. Perfect for a server... not for (IMHO) home desktops... office desktop? perhaps. I have a desktop machine running debian testing that is quite stable. The only problems I have had were updating kernel versions, when the video sometimes fails. There is usually an easy fix. <br>
<br>As for unstable, I ran that for some time on my desktop, but it seemed to fail a bit too often during upgrades.<br><br>Currently I am running Ubuntu 9.10, which is working so far; seems stable for desktop usage and packages are quite recent.<br>
<br>-- <br>Ken Moffat<br>kmoffat at modizzle dot net<br>