SELinux insanity

[Matthew Carpenter]

I'd ask for proof, but both sides call the other side's news agencies "fake news".  
And unfortunate for my "typically right-leaning roots" the sources my GOP-friends 
share with me read like the National Enquirer, and the Dems quote common 
sources, which we all know to lean left.  Unfortunately, the stuff I read which 
support the right (ok, those which support Trump) all have serious credibility issues.  
If CNN leans left, many of these places fall off the end of the "right" scale, most lean 
*hard* right, and almost all use manipulative and abusive panic-inciting language 
and literary tactics.

I am desperately trying to hold on to middle ground, keeping respectful dialog with 
people on all sides.
I don't want to put any of you on the defensive.  I am honestly interested in where 
each of you are coming from.  But I make up my own mind using my own methods, 
placing a coefficient of trust in on each source of info based on corroborative 
analysis.

But so far my research has shown little actual meaningful fact in the media outlets 
supporting Trump (regardless of how I feel about him) regarding COVID19 or 
election fraud.  The only thing I've found are a few facts which could be 
mischaracterized and lots of innuendo.

Can you give me some sources of information supporting what you think that I can 
have some faith in?  I'm quite frustrated with feeling like my usual GOP stomping 
grounds are infected to with fake news and riotous misinformation.

But regardless what I find, I'm grateful for the fact that we *can* think what we 
want, and *say* what we think without fear of governmental retribution.  I may be 
frustrated, but I still have hope for the USA.

Maybe less hope and faith in our general populous.  We don't seem to be 
demanding evidence and thinking critically about it.

Matt

On Monday, December 14, 2020 10:01:35 PM EST Leon Goldstein wrote:
> > Truth is also under attack.
> 
> In a former reincarnation - US Army officer - I monitored Communist bloc
> propaganda.  So I have a bit more "sensitivity" to the art and science
> of manipulation of fact.
> 
> What bothers me more than anything else about the way mainstream media
> goes about its business is the utter artlessness of their manipulation
> of fact - propaganda.  If you are going to lie to me, at least
> demonstrate some creativity and artistry for me to appreciate.
> 
> The big manipulation we are subjected to is incomplete reporting.  This
> is the unfortunate consequence of the media's shift from reporting the
> news to making it.
> 
> Another example: another UK study examined the Wuhan/Covid 19 infection
> rates among Lupus patients.  Since everyone in the UK is under the
> government-run National Health scheme, everyone's medical records are
> accessible in their computerized records.
> 
> In the UK and elsewhere Lupus is often treated with hydroxychloroquine. 
> So the study examined if Lupus patients receiving hydroxychloroquine
> were less susceptible to infection. The study found that these patient
> were just as subject to infection whether they took hydroxychloroquine
> or not.  So this study was immediately seized upon as proof that
> hydroxychloroquine is worthless as a prophylactic.
> 
> Well, for one thing, hydroxychloroquine has been used, in combination
> with zinc and other medications, to treat - therapy - Wuhan/Covid 19
> patients.  Its desired effect is to prevent or reduce pulmonary edema.
> 
> Getting back to the aforementioned Lupus patient study.  Lupus is
> typically treated with steroids.  Once again the study carefully
> excluded the collateral effect of steroids prescribed in addition to
> hydroxychloroquine.  It did not take into account all of the medications
> taken by the Lupus patients.  So this study was contaminated by
> deliberately ignoring a significant factor - steroids.  So much for
> open-minded scientific study.
> 
> On 12/14/20 9:18 PM, Matthew Carpenter wrote:
> > Science is not the only thing that has come under attack.
> > Truth is also under attack.
> > 
> > So are we.  Whether you lean left or lean right, we have been assaulted by
> > a brand of truth that pits us against each other, and none of us seem to
> > have the grounding and ability to bridge the gap between us.
> > 
> > The dehumanization and utter nonsense we've seen fueled by liberal and
> > conservative political entities has left us with nothing but to fight or
> > meet each other.
> > 
> > I recommend we choose the latter.  We've spent too much time building the
> > respect to burn it on marketing.
> > 
> > My 2 cents.
> > 
> > Matt
> > 
> > On Monday, December 14, 2020 5:48:54 PM EST Lonni J Friedman via
> > Linux-users> 
> > wrote:
> >> I know not what this "Danish Science" is.
> >> 
> >> There's science, and then there's everything else which is abused to
> >> support one's agenda.  If all you've got to support a fringe
> >> conspiracy theory are scientific discoveries from hundreds of years
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