anyone using Puppet for configuration management?
David A. Bandel
david.bandel at gmail.com
Fri Sep 6 06:39:13 PDT 2013
Actually Lonnie, that's mcollective and no_mcollective is what you're
looking for. All should be in mcollective unless put in no_mcollective.
Gotta have my coffee before answering.
David-
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 8:00 AM, David A. Bandel <david.bandel at gmail.com>wrote:
> Sorry, Lonnie, didn't see this before - puppet is great.
>
> Didn't read all.
>
> All nodes get added to default unless you add them to nodefault.
>
> David A. Bandel
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 2:41 AM, Federico Voges <ftc at ftc.com.ar> wrote:
>
>> Sorry. I forgot a ":". It should be class { "ntp": }
>>
>> If you're just starting, you might want to do their online
>> introduction. It was quite good the last time I checked it.
>>
>> You download a VM and you start following the online tutorial (it uses
>> puppet enterprise instead of the open source version, but it makes no
>> difference for learning). See http://docs.puppetlabs.com/learning/
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 September 2013 19:36, Lonni J Friedman <netllama at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I thought that anything included in the default node definition is
>> > auto-inherited by the other nodes? Anyway, I tried adding the default
>> > node definition that you wrote, but that doesn't pass validation:
>> > Error 400 on SERVER: Could not parse for environment production:
>> > Syntax error at '}'; expected '}' at /etc/puppet/manifests/site.pp:3
>> >
>> >
>> > I was planning to look into hiera at some point, but I wanted to get
>> > something more basic in place first, then improve upon it later. Baby
>> > steps, etc.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Federico Voges <ftc at ftc.com.ar> wrote:
>> >> You don't have to include them there.
>> >>
>> >> Puppet auto loads the modules. Let's say you have your ntp module in
>> >> whatever your modules dir is named (usually would be
>> >> /etc/puppet/modules/ntp/*).
>> >>
>> >> In your default node definition, you do something like this:
>> >>
>> >> node default {
>> >> class { 'ntp' }
>> >> }
>> >>
>> >> The includes in site.pp are useful for when you have a lot of node
>> >> definitions. Using inclide, you can split them into multiple files so
>> >> it's easier to maintain (e.g., include webservers/*)
>> >>
>> >> If you want better control over individual node configuration, then
>> >> look into using parameterized classes and hiera. At my previous job, I
>> >> used them to be able to override defaults in multiple layers:
>> >> host
>> >> role
>> >> domain
>> >> global
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 5 September 2013 18:00, Lonni J Friedman <netllama at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> *sigh* you're right. This is annoying behavior. This implies that
>> >>> installing any modules means that they are going to apply to every
>> >>> node.
>> >>>
>> >>> I googled for how to exclude a module from a node, and most of the
>> >>> suggestions were rather hacky:
>> >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/puppet-users/a1muJHCs-hQ
>> >>>
>> >>> I tried to follow that one, by creating a new class which explicitly
>> >>> disables ntp, but then I was seeing duplicate service (ntp)
>> >>> declaration errors. feh.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Federico Voges <ftc at ftc.com.ar>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> This seems to say that it does get applied to all nodes:
>> >>>> http://docs.puppetlabs.com/puppet/2.7/reference/lang_import.html
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 5 September 2013 16:36, Lonni J Friedman <netllama at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>> in services/* I've got:
>> >>>>> download_files.pp hello.pp ntp.pp pkg.pp tester.pp
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The only place that ntp is referenced is ntp.pp which i'm not even
>> >>>>> including any longer in site.pp. So unless the import implicitly
>> >>>>> includes everything (and it doesn't seem like, since none of the
>> >>>>> others are enabled globally by default), I don't think that's the
>> >>>>> issue.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Federico Voges <ftc at ftc.com.ar>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> What are you adding in "import "services/*""? It looks like you're
>> >>>>>> installing, at least, snmp and apache. So heres the silly question:
>> >>>>>> are you sure that you're not including ntp somewhere in there too?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Fed.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 5 September 2013 16:15, Lonni J Friedman <netllama at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> I'm using 2.7.x. There's nothing obvious to me in the logs. If
>> I run
>> >>>>>>> with --debug, I see:
>> >>>>>>> #########
>> >>>>>>> debug: Failed to load library 'rubygems' for feature 'rubygems'
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::User::ProviderDirectoryservice: file
>> >>>>>>> /usr/bin/dscl does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::User::ProviderUser_role_add: file roledel
>> does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::User::ProviderLdap: true value when
>> expecting false
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::User::ProviderPw: file pw does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::File::ProviderMicrosoft_windows: feature
>> >>>>>>> microsoft_windows is missing
>> >>>>>>> debug: Failed to load library 'ldap' for feature 'ldap'
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/certs/ca.pem]: Autorequiring
>> >>>>>>> File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/certs]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/public_keys]: Autorequiring
>> >>>>>>> File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/crl.pem]: Autorequiring
>> >>>>>>> File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/certs/cuda-linux32-cvs4.pem]:
>> >>>>>>> Autorequiring File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/certs]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/lib]: Autorequiring
>> File[/var/lib/puppet]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/run/puppet/agent.pid]: Autorequiring
>> File[/var/run/puppet]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/clientbucket]: Autorequiring
>> File[/var/lib/puppet]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/state/state.yaml]: Autorequiring
>> >>>>>>> File[/var/lib/puppet/state]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/certificate_requests]:
>> Autorequiring
>> >>>>>>> File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/client_data]: Autorequiring
>> File[/var/lib/puppet]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/private]: Autorequiring
>> >>>>>>> File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl]: Autorequiring
>> File[/var/lib/puppet]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/client_yaml]: Autorequiring
>> File[/var/lib/puppet]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/state/last_run_summary.yaml]:
>> >>>>>>> Autorequiring File[/var/lib/puppet/state]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/etc/puppet/puppet.conf]: Autorequiring
>> File[/etc/puppet]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/classes.txt]: Autorequiring
>> File[/var/lib/puppet]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/certs]: Autorequiring
>> File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/state/graphs]: Autorequiring
>> >>>>>>> File[/var/lib/puppet/state]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/facts]: Autorequiring
>> File[/var/lib/puppet]
>> >>>>>>> debug:
>> /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/private_keys/cuda-linux32-cvs4.pem]:
>> >>>>>>> Autorequiring File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/private_keys]
>> >>>>>>> debug:
>> /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/public_keys/cuda-linux32-cvs4.pem]:
>> >>>>>>> Autorequiring File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/public_keys]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/private_keys]: Autorequiring
>> >>>>>>> File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/state]: Autorequiring
>> File[/var/lib/puppet]
>> >>>>>>> debug: Finishing transaction 70066376334960
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/crl.pem]: Autorequiring
>> >>>>>>> File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/state]: Autorequiring
>> File[/var/lib/puppet]
>> >>>>>>> debug:
>> /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/public_keys/cuda-linux32-cvs4.pem]:
>> >>>>>>> Autorequiring File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/public_keys]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/public_keys]: Autorequiring
>> >>>>>>> File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/certs/cuda-linux32-cvs4.pem]:
>> >>>>>>> Autorequiring File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/certs]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/lib]: Autorequiring
>> File[/var/lib/puppet]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/private]: Autorequiring
>> >>>>>>> File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/private_keys]: Autorequiring
>> >>>>>>> File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl]: Autorequiring
>> File[/var/lib/puppet]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/certificate_requests]:
>> Autorequiring
>> >>>>>>> File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl]
>> >>>>>>> debug:
>> /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/private_keys/cuda-linux32-cvs4.pem]:
>> >>>>>>> Autorequiring File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/private_keys]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/certs]: Autorequiring
>> File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/facts]: Autorequiring
>> File[/var/lib/puppet]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/certs/ca.pem]: Autorequiring
>> >>>>>>> File[/var/lib/puppet/ssl/certs]
>> >>>>>>> debug: Finishing transaction 70066375305440
>> >>>>>>> debug: Using cached certificate for ca
>> >>>>>>> debug: Using cached certificate for cuda-linux32-cvs4
>> >>>>>>> debug: Finishing transaction 70066374874040
>> >>>>>>> debug: Loaded state in 0.00 seconds
>> >>>>>>> debug: Using cached certificate for ca
>> >>>>>>> debug: Using cached certificate for cuda-linux32-cvs4
>> >>>>>>> debug: Using cached certificate_revocation_list for ca
>> >>>>>>> debug: catalog supports formats: b64_zlib_yaml dot pson raw yaml;
>> using pson
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderRpm: Executing '/bin/rpm
>> --version'
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderUrpmi: Executing '/bin/rpm
>> -ql rpm'
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderYum: Executing '/bin/rpm
>> --version'
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderAptrpm: Executing '/bin/rpm
>> -ql rpm'
>> >>>>>>> info: Caching catalog for cuda-linux32-cvs4
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderHpux: file /usr/sbin/swlist
>> does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderPorts: file
>> >>>>>>> /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderAix: file /usr/bin/lslpp
>> does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderPortupgrade: file
>> >>>>>>> /usr/local/sbin/portinstall does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderFink: file /sw/bin/fink
>> does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderUrpmi: file urpmi does not
>> exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderPortage: file
>> >>>>>>> /usr/bin/eix-update does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderAptitude: file
>> /usr/bin/aptitude
>> >>>>>>> does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderSunfreeware: file pkg-get
>> does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderDpkg: file /usr/bin/dpkg
>> does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderPkg: file /usr/bin/pkg does
>> not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderUp2date: file
>> >>>>>>> /usr/sbin/up2date-nox does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderApt: file /usr/bin/apt-get
>> does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderZypper: file /usr/bin/zypper
>> >>>>>>> does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderGem: file gem does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderNim: file
>> /usr/sbin/nimclient
>> >>>>>>> does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderRug: file /usr/bin/rug does
>> not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderAptrpm: file apt-get does
>> not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderSun: file /usr/sbin/pkgrm
>> does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderFreebsd: file
>> /usr/sbin/pkg_info
>> >>>>>>> does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderOpenbsd: file pkg_info does
>> not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Service::ProviderDebian: file
>> >>>>>>> /usr/sbin/update-rc.d does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Service::ProviderLaunchd: file /bin/launchctl
>> >>>>>>> does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Service::ProviderRunit: file /usr/bin/sv
>> does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Service::ProviderGentoo: file /sbin/rc-update
>> >>>>>>> does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Service::ProviderDaemontools: file
>> /usr/bin/svc
>> >>>>>>> does not exist
>> >>>>>>> debug: Creating default schedules
>> >>>>>>> debug: Loaded state in 0.00 seconds
>> >>>>>>> debug: Prefetching yum resources for package
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderYum: Executing '/bin/rpm
>> --version'
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Package::ProviderYum: Executing '/bin/rpm -qa
>> >>>>>>> --nosignature --nodigest --qf '%{NAME} %|EPOCH?{%{EPOCH}}:{0}|
>> >>>>>>> %{VERSION} %{RELEASE} %{ARCH}
>> >>>>>>> ''
>> >>>>>>> debug: /Stage[main]/Setup_snmp/Service[snmpd]/require: requires
>> >>>>>>> Package[net-snmp]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /Stage[main]/Ntp::Config/notify: subscribes to
>> Class[Ntp::Service]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /Stage[main]/Ntp::Install/before: requires
>> Class[Ntp::Config]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /Stage[main]/Ntp/Anchor[ntp::begin]/before: requires
>> Class[Ntp::Install]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /Stage[main]/Setup_httpd/Exec[/usr/bin/wget -q
>> >>>>>>> http://cuda-fs1/cuda/httpd.conf-rhel6 -O
>> >>>>>>> /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf]/require: requires Package[wget]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /Stage[main]/Setup_httpd/Exec[/usr/bin/wget -q
>> >>>>>>> http://cuda-fs1/cuda/httpd.conf-rhel6 -O
>> >>>>>>> /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf]/require: requires Package[httpd]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /Stage[main]/Setup_httpd/Service[httpd]/require: requires
>> Package[httpd]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /Stage[main]/Ntp::Service/before: requires Anchor[ntp::end]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /Stage[main]/Setup_snmp/Exec[/usr/bin/wget -q
>> >>>>>>> http://cuda-fs1/cuda/snmpd.conf-rhel5 -O
>> >>>>>>> /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf]/require: requires Package[wget]
>> >>>>>>> debug: /Stage[main]/Setup_snmp/Exec[/usr/bin/wget -q
>> >>>>>>> http://cuda-fs1/cuda/snmpd.conf-rhel5 -O
>> >>>>>>> /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf]/require: requires Package[net-snmp]
>> >>>>>>> info: Applying configuration version '1378337701'
>> >>>>>>> debug: Service[httpd](provider=redhat): Executing '/sbin/service
>> httpd status'
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Service::ProviderRedhat: Executing
>> '/sbin/chkconfig httpd'
>> >>>>>>> notice: hello test
>> >>>>>>> notice: /Stage[main]/Hello/Notify[hello test]/message: defined
>> >>>>>>> 'message' as 'hello test'
>> >>>>>>> debug: Service[snmpd](provider=redhat): Executing '/sbin/service
>> snmpd status'
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Service::ProviderRedhat: Executing
>> '/sbin/chkconfig snmpd'
>> >>>>>>> debug: Service[ntp](provider=redhat): Executing '/sbin/service
>> ntpd status'
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Service::ProviderRedhat: Executing
>> '/sbin/chkconfig ntpd'
>> >>>>>>> debug: Service[ntp](provider=redhat): Executing '/sbin/service
>> ntpd start'
>> >>>>>>> debug: Puppet::Type::Service::ProviderRedhat: Executing
>> '/sbin/chkconfig ntpd'
>> >>>>>>> notice: /Stage[main]/Ntp::Service/Service[ntp]/ensure: ensure
>> changed
>> >>>>>>> 'stopped' to 'running'
>> >>>>>>> info: /Stage[main]/Ntp::Service/Service[ntp]: Unscheduling
>> refresh on
>> >>>>>>> Service[ntp]
>> >>>>>>> debug: Finishing transaction 70066374952420
>> >>>>>>> debug: Storing state
>> >>>>>>> debug: Stored state in 0.00 seconds
>> >>>>>>> notice: Finished catalog run in 0.50 seconds
>> >>>>>>> #########
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Federico Voges <ftc at ftc.com.ar>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> That doesn't make any sense.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> What version are you using? and what's in the logs? Have you
>> tried
>> >>>>>>>> running with --debug?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 5 September 2013 15:01, Lonni J Friedman <netllama at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> I also tried with the FQDN, but that didn't make any
>> difference. I
>> >>>>>>>>> also tried removing the default node definition, and that also
>> had no
>> >>>>>>>>> impact. ntp is loaded regardless.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:56 AM, Federico Voges <ftc at ftc.com.ar>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Lonni,
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Is 'cuda-farm-ljf1' the FQDN for the node? If not, put the full
>> >>>>>>>>>> hostname or use a regex.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>>>>> Fed.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 3 September 2013 23:06, Lonni J Friedman <
>> netllama at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to get ramped up on Puppet (
>> http://www.puppetlabs.com ),
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and I'm encountering some strange behavior with the node
>> definitions.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> >From the documentation, I thought that the 'default' node
>> was a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> catchall for any node which wasn't explicitly matched
>> elsewhere.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> However, what I'm seeing is that the default seems to apply
>> even where
>> >>>>>>>>>>> there is an exact match. For example, I have the following in
>> >>>>>>>>>>> site.pp:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> #########
>> >>>>>>>>>>> import "services/*"
>> >>>>>>>>>>> node "cuda-farm-ljf1" {
>> >>>>>>>>>>> include hello
>> >>>>>>>>>>> }
>> >>>>>>>>>>> node default {
>> >>>>>>>>>>> include ntp
>> >>>>>>>>>>> }
>> >>>>>>>>>>> #########
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> What I'd expect is that the 'ntp' class will *not* apply to
>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 'cuda-farm-ljf1' node, however that isn't the behavior that
>> I'm
>> >>>>>>>>>>> seeing. Even if I completely uninstall ntp on that node, its
>> >>>>>>>>>>> reinstalled & started the next time it syncs with the master.
>> Am I
>> >>>>>>>>>>> missing something obvious here?
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>> >>>>>>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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