KDE4

[David A. Bandel]

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Collins Richey <crichey at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Tony Alfrey <tonyalfrey at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> David A. Bandel wrote:
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> OK, I don't know about you all, but I'm annoyed.  Just WTFO is wrong
>>> with all the world's programmers?  Does something have to be different
>>> to be better/improved?  And even if they think it's better, why is it
>>> rammed down a user's throat with a firehose?
>>
>> Where have *you* been?  Apparently not on the SuSE list where this issue has
>> been ongoing for nearly a year.
>>
>> You will find a lot of like-minded people who have "downgraded" to KDE 3.5.
>>
>
> Ditto on sidux (ie sid). After the Lenny release freeze, new versions
> of xorg and kde4/qt popped up fairly rapidly, and there have been
> reams of THIS SUX BIGTIME on the forum.
>
> It's not just KDE. One of the must frustrating features of open
> software is the love of reinventing the wheel. This one isn't round
> enough, so we'll start over with a square-edged wheel and work to
> round it off again.

Yeah, well, newer and shinier != better.

>
> Part of the initial design of kde4 is commendable - restructure the
> underlying interfaces to provide a better integrated whole. Then the
> desktop design folks went hog wild, and nothing that you used to like
> in KDE is the same any more. I'm not a big user of all the bells and
> whistles in kde, so I don't have a big problem, but those who like to
> tweak everything will be lost for a good while yet.

The only reason my wife doesn't use openbox like I do is because she
(not being a computer geek, but a different kind of geek) needs the
"help" that KDE gives her to automount her USB disk and unmount it for
her.  Giving her CLI commands is asking for trouble.  But she can
click on things, read the pop-ups, and select what she wants (safely
remove device -- i.e., sync and unmount).

>
> Also, they've reintroduced (apparently) a lot of bloat, because
> everything is moderately slower than in the past. I would think by
> about the .6 release it will be smooth sailing again.

Bloat, bugs, or features?  And is there really a difference other than
longevity?

>
> Meanwhile, as others have mentioned, xfce4 is a damned good
> alternative, but even there it's not been smooth sailing over the past
> few months.

No thanks on xfce.  Tried it once.  Found its session manager had some
folks with hundreds of copies of autostarting programs on the desktop
-- each time they'd start, xfce's session manager would start what was
there when they closed, and of course autostart would start the
program one more time.  After a few weeks of logging in and logging
out, they'd complain the system was "slow" to start and stayed that
way.  No wonder with hundreds of copies of the same program (all
perfectly aligned on top of each other) running simultaneously.

>
> And, of course, some of the old-favorite addon packages have
> disappeared to be replaced by other offerings with cutesy names that
> are impossible to grok.

If they could just find _any_ programs, that would have been nice.

>
>  Yes, we feel your pain.
>
> --
> Collins Richey
>     If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries
>     of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.
>
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Ciao,

David A. Bandel
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