David A. Bandel
david.bandel at gmail.com
Tue Oct 7 04:52:31 PDT 2008
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Roger Oberholtzer <roger at opq.se> wrote:
> Not to start a distro war, but I just installed the latest Fedora. I
> really disliked their graphical install. Too much was already decided.
Not sure why impressions of an installer would start a distro war.
Certainly there are good and bad to every installer. If the target
for a distro is Windoze idiot converts, then this installer might just
Besides, Linux is Linux is Linux (and we all have our "druthers").
Seems to me if you wanted to start a war it would be Linux vs. *BSD.
Now that would be a tough one for me to pick sides on. Better, vi vs.
EMACS. But let's not go there right now.
> It is ok if the way to make changes from these defaults is made obvious.
> I do not feel this was the case with their graphical install. OTOH, I
> think openSUSE are striking the right balance. Like giving you the
> option of letting the installer figure out everything, or having the
> installer take you through things. You have the level of control you
> want. I also thought the FC package selection was mysterious. Seemed to
> me that I could only install very coarse grained sets of packages. I
> must have missed the obvious place where one could be more specific.
> Does the FC installer have a package search option to let you find
> specific packages during install. The whole point of a graphical
> event-driven interface is that the paradigm makes it easier to make the
> most relevant options accessible to the user without having to resort to
> searching menus. Clicking on obscure icons to find basic things, like
> the level of control you can have over the install - which is perhaps
> one of the most relevant install options, obviates the whole reason for
> a gui application. In any event, it installed over 3000 packages and
> took a very long time.
I still prefer a non-graphical install. I just think that if it is
done right (and that's a hard thing to do) that you get exactly what
you talked about above. I personally prefer installing the most
minimalist system then installing only those packages I need once the
system is up and running on its own. Debian lets me do exactly that.
I imagine others could as well, but most want you to set up something
before the install is finished. Even with Debian I have to uncheck a
couple of boxes to not install what I consider installation "extras".
> I remain an openSUSE fan. I think Fedora really dumbed down their
> installer. Makes me suspicious of the rest of the system control
> utilities. I will explore those next. They are, after all, more
> important than the once-used install system.
Will have to relook openSuSE, been a while since I played with it.
David A. Bandel
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