KVM

[David Bandel]

On 6/22/07, Bill Campbell <linux-sxs at celestial.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2007, James McDonald wrote:
> >David Bandel wrote:
> >> Folks,
> >>
> >> FYI, I just sent submissions a step on installing a VM with KVM.
> >> Thought it might be of interest to those with access to a dual or quad
> >> core box.  The documentation I found was sparse and had little or no
> >> explanation.  In fact, it took me a while to get it all worked out.
> >>
> >> Anyway, I also want to take this opportunity to diss the site a
> >> little.  For those of us who care about well written web pages,
> >> w3.org's validator was not kind to the sxs site, and after not being
> >> able to even find reference to a CSS style sheet to insert into the
> >> step, I can understand why.
> >>
> >> Not sure who's the actual webmaster, but having a CSS style sheet
> >> posted would make writing the step a lot easier.
> >>
> >> Anyway, shouldn't take the editors too long -- it's short, but
> >> hopefully will fill in the blanks I had trouble with.
> >>
> >>
> >It's even more interesting in ie7... If you click on a category on the
> >left pane the content for that category doesn't go into the main window
> >it goes into the left pane...
>
> There's often discussion of IE issues on the Plone mailing lists, and I
> know that Plone has quite a bit of tweaking to make it quite browser
> agnostic.
>
> I would be glad to set up a Zope/Plone site for linux-sxs.org if
> people would be interested in looking at it to see what would be
> involved in using Plone for the site.  I could set up a domain
> such as wwwtest.linux-sxs.org that could be used for testing
> (since I do the DNS for linux-sxs.org this would be easy :-).
>

We know you're enamored with Zope/Plone.  I really believe all the
site needs is to bring it in line with "standards" by using CSS and
correcting some of the horrible code (can be fixed by running pages
through the w3 validator and taking care of the markups before they
are posted).

I think eventually we should use the CSS fake frames and skip section
tags to allow any browser to render the text by allowing text to fall
through vertically and still look good.  I don't think we need to add
complexity with Flash, PHP, Zope/Plone, etc.

Besides, while I'm not saying this is in Zope/Plones future, I still
vividly remember the fiasco after PHP4 was released and PHP3 software
was broken and the two versions didn't play nice together for almost a
year (and even then it took a special compile of all the pieces to get
them to work on the same system).

While I could redo the site in Perl/Postgres, I don't see what it gets
us (and Flash should be outlawed as the stupidity it is).

To start, all we need is a style sheet (or two), and unnecessary tags
removed from the documents and put into CSS where it belongs.  Then
fix the markups that are left so they are valid.

After all that, then look at where to go.  You'd really need to do all
this anyway before stuffing it into Zope/Plone.  Zope/Plone is not a
panacea -- it won't fix invalid code or add CSS.  This will still have
to be fixed before adding Zope/Plone.

The pages I submit are valid xhtml1.1, but lack all the pizzaz that
the CSS should add automagically (like centering, background color,
etc.).  In fact, I will help fix any pages the webmaster wants to send
to me.  We should probably have a "contest" or just ask for CSS
(version 2) submissions.  I would note that the CSS2 sheet can add the
copyright on the bottom of the pages -- as it does on my web pages --
without having to think about it.

Ciao,

David A. Bandel
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