posting speed

[Bill Campbell]

On Tue, Sep 12, 2006, Bill Campbell wrote:
>On Tue, Sep 12, 2006, Michael Hipp wrote:
>>> From: "Tony Alfrey" <tonyalfrey at earthlink.net>
>>> 
>>> Ric Moore wrote:
>>> > On Tue, 2006-09-12 at 08:02 -0700, Tony Alfrey wrote:
>>> >> What controls the time elapsed between when I post a message or a reply 
>>> >> to a message and when it actually appears?
>>> >> Thanks.
>>> >
>>> > God.
>>> 
>>> Hmmmm...that explains why my posts are slow.  I thought it had to do
>>> with that bald guy in Panama.
>
>>Any chance we could get a somewhat more earthly explanation of this
>>phenomenon? Sometimes my posts don't show up for hours. While others (e.g.
>>Lonni) seem to always have theirs show up immediately.
>
>Check the Received: headers in the messages that are slow to see
>where the delay occurs.
>
>One way for messages to be delayed is that they get forwarded to
>the list manager for approval which can because of high spam
>scoring from spamassassin, or other filters on the list.

Tony said it took an hour for this message to appear.  Here are
the Received: header for my message as it appeared in my system,
about an hour later:  These Received headers show that the
message sat in the mail.linux-sxs.org server for about 55 minutes
before being delivered.  See my comments amongst the headers.

> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> 	by mail.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E90612D730
> 	for <bill at mail.mi.celestial.com>; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:47:57 -0700 (PDT)

This was the final Received: when it came out of amavisd on my
mail server, about 52 minutes after I sent it.

> Received: from mail.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1])
> 	by localhost (alexis.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new,
> 	port 10024) with LMTP id 21466-04-2 for <bill at mail.mi.celestial.com>;
> 	Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:47:50 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from bastiat.celestial.com (bastiat.mi.celestial.com
> 	[192.168.253.128])
> 	by mail.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DC912D711
> 	for <bill at mail.mi.celestial.com>; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:47:46 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> 	by bastiat.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4BA11F055
> 	for <bill at mail.mi.celestial.com>; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:47:46 -0700 (PDT)
> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at celestial.com
> Received: from bastiat.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1])
> 	by localhost (bastiat.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new,
> 	port 10024)
> 	with LMTP id m0c-7T1hettq for <bill at mail.mi.celestial.com>;
> 	Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:47:46 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: by bastiat.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203)
> 	id 4433D11F04E; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:47:46 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> 	by bastiat.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D3B11F054
> 	for <linux-sxs at celestial.com>; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:47:44 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from bastiat.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1])
> 	by localhost (bastiat.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new,
> 	port 10024) with LMTP id I34Loa4zAbwF for <linux-sxs at celestial.com>;
> 	Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:47:44 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from mail.linux-sxs.org (mail.linux-sxs.org [64.117.232.19])
> 	by bastiat.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C278F11EF62
> 	for <linux-sxs at celestial.com>; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:47:43 -0700 (PDT)

The Received above is the message coming into our primary MX
server, 14 seconds before it finally arrived in my mailbox.

> Received: from mail.linux-sxs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> 	by mail.linux-sxs.org (8.13.7/8.13.7/Debian-2) with ESMTP id
> 	k8CLlVB1003271; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:47:33 -0500
> Received: from mail.mi.celestial.com (hayek.celestial.com [192.136.111.12])
> 	by mail.linux-sxs.org (8.13.7/8.13.7/Debian-2) with ESMTP id
> 	k8CKtc1V032252
> 	for <linux-users at linux-sxs.org>; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:55:40 -0500

The two headers above show it arriving at mail.linux-sxs.org at
15:55:40 their local time, and sitting somewhere in the queue
until 16:45:33 local time when it came out of whatever processing
is being done internally, probably amavisd spam and a/v checking,
or it may have been someplace inside Mailman during this time.

> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> 	by mail.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E599012D72B;
> 	Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:55:31 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from mail.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1])
> 	by localhost (alexis.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new,
> 	port 10024)
> 	with LMTP id 16262-01-2; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:55:31 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: by mail.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203)
> 	id 54F9812D725; Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:55:31 -0700 (PDT)
> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:55:31 -0700

Bill
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