So Long, SuSE, We Hardly Knew Ye!

[Bob Hemus]

On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 21:05 -0600, Michael Hipp wrote:
> Net Llama! wrote:
> > On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Michael Hipp wrote:
> >> Net Llama! wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Michael Hipp wrote:
> >>>> Net Llama! wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Myles Green wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 18:57:33 -0500 (EST)
> >>>>>> Net Llama! <netllama at linux-sxs.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Michael Hipp wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Bruce Marshall wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Ok, what's the best way to get a copy of kunbuntu??  I'd rather not
> >>>>>>>>> download the whole thing unless it can be done in chunks...  Would
> >>>>>>>>> rather get a DVD or CD's.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> (another disgruntled SuSE user)
> >>>>>>>> Download it here:
> >>>>>>>>   http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
> >>>>>>>>     (note that Kubuntu is only *one* CD.)
> >>>>>>> Really?  Ubuntu is a DVD, so what did they cut out of Kubuntu to get it
> >>>>>>> on one CD?
> >>>>>> Really? I installed Ubuntu from a CD .iso image downloaded from the Ubuntu
> >>>>>> site. Look again, it's there...
> >>>>> Yes, its there, but when you install off the CD, you get a stripped down
> >>>>> version of the OS, or it grabs additional packages off the internet.  I
> >>>>> discovered this little secret when hacking through Ubuntu's poor attempt
> >>>>> at kickstart support.
> >>>> Wrongo. The CD is the real deal and the whole deal. I've often install Ubuntu
> >>>> with no net connection whatsoever (a hackish way to force it to use a static
> >>>> IP addr). The DVD image is a johnny-come-lately probably for people with a
> >>>> poor net connection.
> >>> If what you say is true, then explain why there's been a DVD way back with
> >>> warty, and how I can perform a kickstart based installation from the
> >>> contents of the CD.
> >> I don't believe there was a DVD release with Warty. My recollection is that it
> >> came along later. But I might be remembering wrong. Note that most of the
> >> mirrors don't even carry the DVD images (see link below). The "official"
> >> release has always been one CD. (Probably as a thankful backlash against the
> >> landfill's worth of CDs that have to be downloaded to install *anything* from,
> >> say, SuSE or FC.)
> > 
> > But that's misleading, because what you get with the 1 CD installation is 
> > close to useless.  You get no development tools (gcc, etc), you get no 
> > kernel source/headers.  I'm sure that you'll argue that the Ubuntu target 
> > audience doesn't need or care about that stuff, however that's only true 
> > if what Ubuntu gives you is everything you need.  Anyone trying to install 
> > out-of-tree hardware drivers isn't going to be happy (nvidia, a bunch of 
> > USB webcams, vmware, etc).
> 
> I don't find it the least bit misleading. You get exactly what is advertised: 
> a well configured, integrated, easy-to-use, easy-to-install desktop with a 
> long list of best-of-breed applications in each category.
> 
> It is what it claims to be.
> 
> Precisely how many *users* will be running VMware?
> 
> Hint: anyone who needs and knows how to install vmware will not be terribly 
> intimidated by having to use Synaptic to get kernel headers. Heck they might 
> even be able to run an xterm and use apt-get. :-)
> 
> And on most of my systems I don't *want* gcc and other development tools. They 
> fall firmly in the "optional accessories" category.
> 
> To each his own, but I long ago lost interest in the "kitchen sink" theory of 
> distro installation. Simple things work better than complicated things.
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Heck, if that's true I oughta be one of the best workers on the list.
Bob