So Long, SuSE, We Hardly Knew Ye!

[Net Llama!]

On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Michael Hipp wrote:
> Net Llama! wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Michael Hipp wrote:
>>> Net Llama! wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Myles Green wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 18:57:33 -0500 (EST)
>>>>> Net Llama! <netllama at linux-sxs.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006, Michael Hipp wrote:
>>>>>>> Bruce Marshall wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ok, what's the best way to get a copy of kunbuntu??  I'd rather not
>>>>>>>> download the whole thing unless it can be done in chunks...  Would
>>>>>>>> rather get a DVD or CD's.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (another disgruntled SuSE user)
>>>>>>> Download it here:
>>>>>>>   http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
>>>>>>>     (note that Kubuntu is only *one* CD.)
>>>>>> Really?  Ubuntu is a DVD, so what did they cut out of Kubuntu to get it
>>>>>> on one CD?
>>>>> Really? I installed Ubuntu from a CD .iso image downloaded from the Ubuntu
>>>>> site. Look again, it's there...
>>>> Yes, its there, but when you install off the CD, you get a stripped down
>>>> version of the OS, or it grabs additional packages off the internet.  I
>>>> discovered this little secret when hacking through Ubuntu's poor attempt
>>>> at kickstart support.
>>> Wrongo. The CD is the real deal and the whole deal. I've often install Ubuntu
>>> with no net connection whatsoever (a hackish way to force it to use a static
>>> IP addr). The DVD image is a johnny-come-lately probably for people with a
>>> poor net connection.
>>
>> If what you say is true, then explain why there's been a DVD way back with
>> warty, and how I can perform a kickstart based installation from the
>> contents of the CD.
>
> I don't believe there was a DVD release with Warty. My recollection is that it
> came along later. But I might be remembering wrong. Note that most of the
> mirrors don't even carry the DVD images (see link below). The "official"
> release has always been one CD. (Probably as a thankful backlash against the
> landfill's worth of CDs that have to be downloaded to install *anything* from,
> say, SuSE or FC.)

But that's misleading, because what you get with the 1 CD installation is 
close to useless.  You get no development tools (gcc, etc), you get no 
kernel source/headers.  I'm sure that you'll argue that the Ubuntu target 
audience doesn't need or care about that stuff, however that's only true 
if what Ubuntu gives you is everything you need.  Anyone trying to install 
out-of-tree hardware drivers isn't going to be happy (nvidia, a bunch of 
USB webcams, vmware, etc).

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Lonni J Friedman                        netllama at linux-sxs.org
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