So Long, SuSE, We Hardly Knew Ye!

[Net Llama!]

On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, Ben Duncan wrote:
> I think it has more to do with the MONO project and the DotNet
> and GNU Dot Net than anything. It probably is also a "synergy"
> to stop the Oracle announcement of supporting RedHat Linux
> directly, which would put a crimp in SQL Server sales.

Oracle is not 'supporting' Redhat linux directly.  They are attempting to 
support a rebranding of CentOS, which is a SRPM rebuild of RHEL. 
Everything that I've read of Oracle's "Enterprise Linux" has been largely 
negative, reporting alot of bugs (that don't exist in CentOS or RHEL), and 
a shoddy effort to slap an Oracle logo on someone else's work.  I rather 
doubt that the Novell/MS deal has any relationship to what Oracle is 
doing, especially since deals such as this usually take months to get 
worked out.  The oracle thing hasn't been public for more than a few 
weeks.

> From what information I can gather, M$ is going to put support
> dollars into the MONO project and the GnuDotNet. They already (M$)
> have paid for a REAL GOSH DARN working Python into the DotNet
> environment called IronPython, and it is left completely open
> sourced - amazingly ! They also did some support work on getting
> GTK, called GTK# working as well.

Yes, cause if there's anything that Mono needs, its more MS bloat. 
Everytime i'm forced to run a Mono binary, I'm reminded of how slow & 
buggy that crap is.

> Anyway, not being a MS fanboy myself, and having just got started
> into the this "DotNEt" craze me-self, I am begrudgingly going to
> give a tip 'o the hat to it. The ideology seems to be sound, and
> it seems to be one place the (M$) seem to be willing to play fair -
> at least for the time being.

MS is _never_ willing to play fairly.  Those who think that they will are 
fools.

> The darker side of me thinks that they are doing all of this to let
> it develop, support it as much as they can, then turn the good idea's
> and applications into a "ASP" models that they then will rent BACK to the
> BROADBAND consumers/Businesses so they will have a recurring source
> of income. Kinda like Cable TeeVee, but for the software industry.

That seems a bit too overly complicated for the likes of MS.  My suspicion 
is that in the long term, MS is using this as nothing more than a ploy to 
get to new customers who, in the past, would never have given MS the time 
of day.  I suspect MS is going to end up canabalizing Novell's customers 
in the long term.  Novell are fools.

>
> Kurt Wall wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/y7rcmb
>>
>> So, Novell has sold out. I don't see how this makes good business sense in
>> the long term, except perhaps for Red Hat. You don't make deals with
>> Microsoft, because they'll find a way to to weasel out of it. Novell, of
>> all companies, should understand this well. Are memories so fscking short?
>>
>> This is now the second time that a distribution and the company behind
>> has sold us down the river. The first time it was OpenLinux and Caldera. Now
>> it is SLES/SLED/openSUSE and Novell.
>>
>> I'm sure it is only coincidence that both companies are Utah companies.
>> Strictly speaking, Novell is headquartered in Waltham, Massachusetts.
>>
>> Begrudgingly, Red Hat and Fedora have another customer.
>>
>> Kurt
>
>

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