php schedule tool

[David Bandel]

On 10/8/05, Collins Richey <crichey at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/8/05, A. Khattri <ajai at bway.net> wrote:
> > On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, David Bandel wrote:
> >
> > > I'm still waiting for the V5 upgrade spectacle where nothing php4
> > > works in php5

As I said, the php3 -> php4 disaster was all I needed to drive me away
from php forever.  I've never experienced such a painful situation. 
In several cases it involved (until it was resolved where php3 and
php4 could be run side by side) running two web servers on the same
box.  There may still be php3 code out there that won't run on php4. 
It caused me months of problems and upset customers.  As I said, screw
me once ...

And maybe it was the packages I used.  I don't know or care.  If I
wanted that much pain, I'd run M$.

> >
> > Probably why most PHP programmers (myself included) are still working with
> > PHP4 - why would you upgrade to something that is widely known to be a
> > problem?
> >
>
> Maybe so, but my opinion is that David will be waiting for a spectacle
> that won't occur.

Maybe it won't.  But that won't be enough to bring me back.

>
> I did a little searching on the topic, and I found no major instances
> of PHP4 code incompatibilities when running on PHP5. Almost everything
> I found could be tracked back to sloppy code, including a lot of $this
> = assignments in PHP4 objects. Even an amateur coder should know
> better than that. phpBB has fixed its problems, and the current
> version runs fine on PHP4/5. One report did indicated that
> SquirrelMail has not yet cleaned up its code.
>
> If the same attitude prevailed with glibc, for example, everyone would
> be complaining (a few are still) that their old, crappy code won't
> work with the current glibc.

I've seen glibc upgrade problems, but they've never caused me the
grief php3 -> php4 did.

>
> Every product that I'm aware of has some level of incompatibility with
> code written for older releases, and PHP5 seems to be cleaner than
> most. The differences are well published, so I don't understand all
> the fuss.

Hopefully, php4 and php5 were made to coexist from the get-go.  This
only happened after many long months with php3 and php4.  As I said,
way too painful.

>
> So phrases like "waiting for a spectacle" and "widely known to be a
> problem" are a bit off the mark.
>

David A. Bandel
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