...rocks! I love the handy graphical build/installation front-end. The window manager piece seems small and manageable, too: [kwall]$ size xfce/bin/xfwm4 text data bss dec hex filename 210660 2112 528 213300 34134 xfce/bin/xfwm4 It just installed and worked. What a delightfully pleasant change! Kurt -- Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art. -- Charles McCabe