OT: Here we go again ...

[Keith Antoine]

I am sending this to both lists due to the discussion not moving to 'general' 
where it shouild be by now. Doubtless Doug will step in shortly and wield the 
stick, or will Meinherr Kurt enbolden himself: befelen ist befelen <grin>.

Being that I am an Australian 'looking in', I think the term SS was a misnomer 
and an ill advised usage. If we are to equate apples with apples then the 
Geheimstatzpolitzi : Gestapo would be a better choice of words. However most
internal intelligence agencies then and now: again wartime abwer (the spelling 
is incorrect but the memory is faulty) was a nearer example to MI6, CIA and 
NSA than any other german organisation. I am sure as Alma says that you would 
know the difference if you had the Satzi or Gestapo instead of what you do 
have.

Yes we do have a sort of 'Big Brother' system looking over our shoulders these 
days, but no one, as far as I know, sees friends or relatives disappear 
overnight, not to be seen ever again. Mind you I am also sure that in both 
the US and UK, it could be arranged it the right political atmosphere was 
present. It is up to each and everyone to make sure it does not. With what I 
see on TV: that which is fed to us is mostly what the estabishment both wants 
us to see and act on (propaganda). 

The recent Iraqi incident, the lead up to it and the brave poiticians (sheep) 
who followed: Australia and the UK are as much to blame for the outcome as is 
The Bush administration.

Again as Alma said, she is scared: that is exactly what the politicians and 
the terrorists want us to be, so as we can be controlled/cajoled. From the 
age of 6 to 22 I was either bombed, shot at, ordered to kill or be mindless.
I left the UK because I was sick of all that. Now I have no fear of terrorism 
and have nothing but contempt for politicians and government. The 
intelligence services have been self serving in the past and I cannot see 
them changing now, no matter what name they have.

Having typed all that 'bilge water' my arthritis is not giving me hell in both 
shoulders, my fingers are tired, as for my brain......$#@$#$^%*&^%(*^)
@!%$@$@^ (noise)

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Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY'
18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161
Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage