spam issues

[Net Llama!]

The problem here is that you assume that when people get bounced mail,
they understand why, and attempt to take corrective action.  Most people
haven't the foggiest clue what a bounced email means, and will most likely
just delete it and move on.  Punishing the innocent isn't going to win a
spam war.  It just puts them in the middle as you throw grenades at the
spammers on the other side.

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, ronnie gauthier wrote:
> Not exactly, at least thats not how I see it. If enough users of an ISP or
> email suppliers complain they are blocked by one, big deal, blocked by dozens,
> then it begins to matter and the ISP's must take notice. We as an admin
> community have done nothing to stop the spam problem. Oh, some filteer, most
> have a TOS that they stick to but thats it. Hell, when it gets bad enough that
> congress looks into it you know that congress will shit on you with their
> solution. If it a drastic enough problem then we should deal with it ourselves.
> I know that blocking innocent users is not with the spirit of the Internet but
> any solution congress comes up with will be worse and we can remove blocks
> easily with a few edits. No so with whatever solution congress comes up with,
> you wont just edit that away.
>
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:33:22 -0400 (EDT) - Net Llama! <netllama at linux-sxs.org>
> wrote the following
> Re: Re: spam issues
>
> >On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, ronnie gauthier wrote:
> >> I've had it with spam, RBL's bite. So what to do?
> >> I have taken drastic measures. I wish others would follow suit. We could kill
> >> spam in short order. How? I have got fed up with yahoo a while back and
> >blocked> them. A while back I had a rash of spam from comcast.com and mail them
> >and> complained heavily, it stopped. Until this week. Now comcast is blocked.
> >> When I say blocked I dont mean filtered I mean blocked from all my domains
> >and> clients mail servers. FSCK to domains with a lax attitude about spam, let
> >them> eat bounces.
> >
> >what is that solving?  spam preys on the weakest link & lowest common
> >denominator.  blocking off entire netblocks is just cutting off your nose
> >to spite your face.
> >
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