Lonnie Thanks, actually I was playing with gimp. It has an acquire selection, it gets the whole window. I now can select that which I need. Way Gimp. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 res005ru at gte.net Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust!