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[Federico Voges]

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Hi,

80386, 80486, Pentium, Pentium MMX/Pro/II/III/4 (including Celerons)=
IA32 (or i386) -> 32 bits
Itanium, Itanium 2 = IA64 -> 64 bits 

IIRC IAxx means something like Intel Architecture xx bits (or something
like that)

Bye!

On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:43:37 -0500, tom wrote:

>Greets Net Llama;
>
>"Net Llama!" <netllama at linux-sxs.org> wrote:
>
>>Since when is a P4 the same as IA64??
>
>Isn't it? I've seen the progression of the hardware over the
>years as this;
>
>386-486     => 16 bit OS platforms/ 32 bit architecture
>586-686-P3  => 32 bit OS platforms/ 64 bit architecture
>P4- P5 - P6 => 64 bit OS platforms/ 128 bit architecture
>
>http://cedar.intel.com/software/idap/media/pdf/LinuxQSG_Rev1.pdf
>
>I was under this impression that since 1999 when Intel 
>released information for the Itanium/Pentium 4 for the 
>purposes of linux community to build a P4 functioning kernel
>and start application building. 
>
>Wasn't it REDHAT introducing of a IA-64 coded OS that 
>worked on Pentium 4's before MS could produce for Windows 
>2000 OS for the same machines big news years ago?
>
>And as I understand it, going from 32 bits to 64 bits 
>creates problems, and a OS developer has to start 
>from the ground all over again?
>
>Software like GCC, GLIBC, have problems especially 
>with 'int' 'long' and  'pointers', just to start with.
>
>I was under the impression problems were caused when 
>compiled applications will crash by recieving unexpected
>negative values when a value is greater and outside the 
>range of smaller bit 'holder'.
>
>Not all applications would crash and bomb, but I thought
>it was a good idea to use 64 bit OS on a Pentium 4 or better,
>which had 128 bit architecture to begin with.
>
>Wasn't there was a big push from Linux OS developers to 
>have clients with a minimum OS platform of a Pentium 
>instead of a 486 with Kernel 2.2.13 and the
>move to Glibc 2.1.3 along those very same lines?
>
>I think I remember grumbling from even this list
>when its members frequented the Caldera mail list there
>about eDesktop and it's minimum requirements a few years back.
>
>We've moved away from the i386/i486, which had 16 bit 
>OS and applications, Linus and the other developers
>people went to the Pentium which could handle the 32 bit
>platform.
>
>The linux/GNU community has dropped and moved away for some
>time supporting GCC 2.91, GlibC 2.1.X, and the machines 
>that they used could compile could that was understood by 
>the Pentium 1-2-3's.  But still all these machines are
>all 32 bit OS running on them ( 64 architecture).
>
>P4 is big monster, with 128 bit architecture.  The 64 bit OS
>is now required to drive it.  A new, higher bit architecture
>always requires a higher bit OS to drive it.
>
>IA-64 OS should be able to run on a half decently built and 
>quick 2.0GHz or better Pent 4 machine, single CPU or no.
>
>This year we should see a new minimal equipment requirement,
>a Pentium 4 as a minimum machine, with 256MB ram, when Linus
>starts introduction of Kernel 2.6.  ( say around 2.6.10 or so ).
>
>
>Anyway, this is way, way, way off topic.
>
>
>
>I am still under the opinion that M.C. simply has a CDROM 
>he burned that simply didn't burn quite right.
>
>
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