Brad I have looked there, but the url I had used has a nice sticker, did you see it? But I appreciate your reply, keep in touch. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 res005ru at gte.net Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust!