<OT> Re: we shall remember them

[Matthew Carpenter]

I'm a bit torn on some of the topics here.

First off, I'll turn some of you off by starting out that I agree with
Bush, Dep, and Collins, et al.  I believe in mercy and grace to a large
degree.  I also believe that sometimes force is required.  While I
hardly ever beat up the bully, there are times when it is the only way
to avoid bigger problems.

At the same time, it is important to bring our fellow "team-mates" along
as much as we can.  America needs to be careful while attempting to
protect itself and its allies NOT to become one of the monsters for the
rest of the world to fear.  We need to act in a way that doesn't abuse
the power which we have obtained so other countries don't start
wondering when THEY will show up on our target list.  While I'm not
really fond of the UN and its is "ways", they have provided somewhat a
sense of accountability for our nation... a way to keep ourselves in
check.  Do I think we could survive very well without the UN?  Sure. 
But we need a way to keep in tune to our fellow nations.  The UN is what
we have.  Trying to create something new would be like trying to get a
new OS in the mainstream.  (had to bring the thread a little on topic :)

That said, we still need to be firm.  Nuf sed



On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:30:01 -0400
Joel Hammer <Joel at hammershome.com> wrote:

> I think the UN pretty much abandoned the moral high ground when it
> ordered Belgium peacekeepers out of Rwanda just prior to the genocide
> there. It was a careerist at the UN who ordered it. At the time he was
> in charge of peacekeeping operations. After the 800,000 were murdered,
> he got promoted to the top job, Mr. Koffi Anan (sorry if his name is
> spelled wrong.)  Mr. Anan explained his abandonment of hundreds of
> thousands to a grusome fate by saying that the UN had no authority to
> act, since there was no UN resolution to take more positive steps to
> stop the genocide.
> 
> A more replusive statement I have never heard in my life.
> 
> That's the UN. God help anybody who depends on the UN for salvation.
> 
> Joel
> 
> 
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 12:13:54PM -0700, Net Llama! wrote:
> > 
> > n 10/19/02 22:03, Richard R. Sivernell wrote:
> > 
> > > Lonnie
> > >
> > >    Look at it this way:
> > > 1. Who pays the UN Bills  -- we do
> > 
> > 
> > All member nations pay UN bills.
> > 
> > >
> > > 2 Who supports the UN -- we do
> > 
> > I'm not sure what you mean by that.  Define 'support'.
> > 
> > >
> > > 3. Which country host the UN  -- we do
> > 
> > That's not entirely true.  The UN headquarters are wthin the US
> > borders, however the land that the UN headquarters resides is
> > considered to be neutral territory, not owned by any nation. 
> > Additinoally, the UN has facilities all over the world, in addition
> > to their headquarters.[Snipped the rest of the jingoistic banter]
> > 
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