btw, is Fidonet (dial-up BBS network) in USA still in good shape, if you have ever heard of it? The Hongkong one (hknet, 1:700/999 ) has collapsed right after the arrival of itnernet. a few of them persists... http://smarties.thebbs.org/bbs -- Swiftly. Silently. Invisibly. .~. In Linux we trust. / v \ news://news.hkpcug.org /( _ )\ http://www.linux-sxs.org ^ ^