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[Condon Thomas A KPWA]

David,

> I _am_ talking GUI.  As I said, Netscape 4.x has the correct (for me)
> behavior.  Why should a form that requires two inputs submit 
> after one? 
> It requires a username then it requires a password, then, and 
> only then,
> should it submit a form. It should not submit if the active box is
> username, only if the active box is password.  Again, Netscape 4.x
> exhibits exactly this behavior (is there a non-GUI Netscape)?  lynx,
> links, and others also do the right thing moving from line to line via
> <Enter>.

I have only recently begun using Netscape, so I can't vouch for its
behavior.

I frequently fill in the form in reverse order.  Call me backward.  I want
it to submit when I hit enter, not otherwise.  But I do want it to submit
then.

Sometimes a field is blank (I know passwords shouldn't be) until it is set
to some value.  I want that form to submit when I hit return even if I have
not entered a password.  I don't want some programmer somewhere to decide
that "Nobody should be doing this, so I won't let them."

It is my impression that with KDE when you hit return after entering your
username it is submitting the form, failing the login and coming back with a
blank password but the same userid, with the insertion point set to the
password.  The identical behavior as when you submit with an invalid
password.

> > If I'm logging into the X system, which I usually am, it works just
> > fine.  I wouldn't use <tab> at a command line prompt, though.  OK, I
> > don't do it on purpose.  Sometimes I do it out of habit...
> 
> What works?  I've logged into systems using xdm since before 1989. 
> Hitting the <Tab> key would never have occurred to me, GUI or command
> line.

I've been using *nix systems (some with X, some with command line) off and
on since 81, Mac since 84, Windows (cursing all the way) since 93.  I've yet
to find a GUI interface that *did not* move between entry boxes with a tab.
The GUI standard is that the highlighted button will be activated with a
<return> or <enter>.  It becomes problematic if there are no highlighted
buttons.  But most dialog boxes have one button with a darker outline than
the others.  *That* is what will happen when you hit <enter>.  So, if you
could play with the button order or the "active" controls on the dialog box
you could change this to work.  Check to see if you can find a way to do
that.  Alternatively (and I know you won't like this), you can hit the tab
key until the submit button is highlighted, then click the mouse in the
userid data entry box.  Then when you hit the entry it should submit, fail,
and come back for a password.

Unfortunately, to have it move from one input box to another on
<enter>(without the submit-fail-'enter password' process) would foul up
millions of people who use the GUI data entry according to the (admittedly
shaky) standards -- <tab> between data entries, <enter> to activate the
active button.

> No, please try Netscape 4.x.  I just want that behavior back. 
>  And hitting
> anything but <Enter> to go between username and password, CLI 
> or GUI is
> counterintuitive to me (as many folks who hear me cussing 30 
> or 40 times a
> day that I inadvertently do it will tell you).

They may well have set it up so a failed entry puts the insert point in the
password box and sets the submit button as active, so that your pattern
works just fine (if you don't mind failing the first password attempt).  Or
they may have made that window behave differently than any other window you
will ever see.  I suspect the former.

I have the same problem with a windows box that insists it knows where I
want to go today.  Just ask anyone in the cube farm around me.

> No. Please retry in Netscape 4.x from a login popup: username<Enter>
> password<Enter>.  Now how do I change Mozilla to do this? (Or 
> do I live
> with Nutscrape 4.x forever?)

I'll have to try it at home, since I had to remove 4.7.6 in order to get
windows to see 7.0 as my default browser.

> No, I don't think so.  Keyboards are quiet (mine is anyway).  The only
> thing I want to hear while I'm working is Pink Floyd 
> (Comfortably Numb,
> etc.)

That is the objection I have, too.  Although, they might have to finally
give engineers and programmers offices instead of cube farms...

Oh, Rick Braun or Gary Jess.  Haven't found a bad one yet, but I'm listening
to Night Walk now.


In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,

Tom  :-})

Thomas A. Condon
Barbershop Bass Singer
Registered Linux User #154358
A Jester Unemployed