Most crashes from winders are from one of two things at 90% of the time. 1. over written arrays in the code 2. Null pointers. Winders is full of this crap. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 res005ru at gte.net Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust!