opera -- was: Re: downloading

[Joel Hammer]

http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/
Read the above link.
It lists some of opera's (6.x) problems.

I wrote some complicated (for me) javascript lately for processing forms.

In opera, especially annoying for me was the lack of a dblclick function,
the inability to capture the right mouse click, and the inability to
capture screen coordinates. These are all very important when you are
trying to allow the user to easily navigate around a large form. In
the end, I made compromises just because opera wouldn't support event
handlers properly. IE did all these things, and more, with no problem.
Every single thing I tried, and it was all done straight from the "book",
worked on IE.

I can't talk much about netscape (6.2, 7.0) or mozilla regarding event handlers,
because they just didn't work well with my javascript. They have
differences from opera and IE in how they view variable scope, which I
don't have the time to sort out. 

Perhaps someone could experiment with mozilla to see what kind of support it
has for DOM and event handlers and report back to the list? Simply claiming
compliance is not convincing to me.

I would really appreciate it if someone could tell me why a form array,
produced with HTML as follows:
<form name = "myform">
big form
</form>
is not available for initialization with the onLoad event in netscape, but
is in opera and IE. (netscape eventually recognizes the form.) 
Any why doesn't netscape support typeof? Does mozilla?
Joel


> Joel Hammer wrote:
> 
> >IIE is the most compliant browser around, AFAIK. I think that MS is playing the game smart. They are pushing ahead and
> >rapidly complying with the new standards coming from the W3C people before the others have time to do it. But, much more commonly, sites check for IIE and netscape and adjust accordingly. NOBODY (almost) checks for opera.
> >
> 
> 
> I'm curious as to the source of the information in the statement the IE 
> is the most compliant browser: was it by some chance a MS press release? <g>
> 
>  From everything I've read IE is one of the least standard compliant 
> browsers, because MS chooses, as so often with their products, to 
> attempt to define their own practices as the standard, ignoring the rest 
> of the world, and particularly the W3C people, knowing that many 
> developers will follow them because they are MS. This is not, as far as 
> I am concerned, playing it smart: it's simply MS playing MS and thumbing 
> their nose at the rest of the known universe using a business model of 
> trying to make MS's proprietary practices the standard.
> 
> The reason that so many sites accept it in lieu of other browsers seems 
> to be because so many website developers are lazy and use MS tools to 
> write their pages --- so naturally the site will work fine with IE. They 
> simply don't take the time and effort to write good HTML code and check 
> their pages against any standards at all.
> 
> OTOH, from everything that I have read, in this list and others, Mozilla 
> 1.0 is probably the most standard compliant of the current crop of 
> browsers, with Opera just behind it.
> 
> 
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