<OT> Maybe

Mon May 17 11:31:30 PDT 2004

On Tue, 21 May 2002 08:29:50 -0400
begin  Tim Wunder <tim at thewunders.org> spewed forth:

> On 5/21/2002 6:45 AM, someone claiming to be David A. Bandel wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 May 2002 08:50:23 +0200 begin  Roger Oberholtzer
> > <roger at opq.se> spewed forth:
> > 
> > 
> >> Will there be a section on this in the book?
> > 
> > 
> > On what? CSS? Borken browsers? ???
> > 
> <snip>
> 
> I sent in an e-mail to the kde-devel list, echoing your claim of a
> "borken browser", here's the first response it received:
> 
> > On Tuesday 21 May 2002 13:54, Tim Wunder wrote:
> > 
> >> Konqueror will not render http://linuxbooks.pananix.com/ properly, 
> >> at least for me. It sems to load the page OK, but I cannot scroll 
> >> it. The author of the page claims it's a "borken browser". It 
> >> renders fine with Mozilla, linux and Windows. Should this be 
> >> submitted as a bug to bugs.kde.org? Thanks,
> > 
> > 
> > I can't say anything about if something should be fixed in konquerer,
> >  but I've a hint for this author: Before calling Konqueror `broken', 
> > he should eventually run his HTML and CSS code through some 
> > validators.
> > 
> > Broken CSS: 
> > http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator/?uri=http%3A//linuxbooks-
> > .pananix.com/basic/toc.html

OK, the one true error here I fixed.  The other things were _very_ minor.
Perhaps Windoze would have had a problem with DarkBlue as a color, but
_all_ systems running X have a /usr/X11R6/lib/rgb.txt with DarkBlue in it.
 And I changed the font-size it complained about. All but the one error
only would have affected browsers CSS2 compliant because what it
complained about was within the CSS2 only area.  Konqueror (at least the
version I have from 3.1.1 _isn't_ CSS2 compliant).

> > 
> > Broken HTML: 
> > http://validator.w3.org/check/?uri=http%3A//linuxbooks.pananix.com/ba-
> > sic/toc.html

Want to know what the parser was choking on here?  Let me show you:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 transitional//EN">

One of the above the parse chokes on.  Why? look at the case in the word
transitional.  The case is not supposed to matter, so obviously the parser
is borken.  Once I "fixed" this not broken issue, I was left with two
"errors":

According to the documentation I have, CLASS="class" can be contained
within any html markup. That is, within _any_ tag contained between < and
>.  Apparently, not all html tags are html tags - ???????.  That is,
><HTML> isn't an html tag, although <BODY> is.  Anyone care to explain to
>me _WHY_ <HTML> isn't an html tag, but <BODY> is?  I'm confused.

Now I'm left with one error that is not an error (at least not according
to the manuals on CSS I have):
<HEAD>
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"
href="http://www.pananix.com/css/pananix.css" />
</HEAD>

The <link ... > is an error. ????????

I think the parse is borken.  This line is:
1.  in the correct location (the head)
2.  precisely, correctly written (I have it in a couple of documents, most
notably the WestCiv CSS Style Guide), copied _precisely_ as they have it.

So if any HTML experts would like to tell me what's wrong ...

> > 
> > I just don't like this 'my code is broken but your tool should work 
> > anyway with my code'-attitude.

The "errors" don't seem to have any effect on the rendering of the page in
Konqueror. It still looks borken the same way as before (no copyright, ?
where - should be). Or I suppose a hyphen is not permitted in html?

> > 
> > Cheers, Andreas
> > 
> 
> While I tend to agree that this page should render fine regardless of
> the minor problems listed by these validators, it is difficult to claim
> that someting is "borken" because it won't render something that is, um,
> borken.

I take exception to half of the things the "validator" says were borken.
Case is not supposed to be important, yet it broke the validator.  <HTML>
is a markup tag, at least it was back in html 1.0 when I learned it (circa
1993).

So, what t have I not crossed in the css link so we can all look to see
how broken Konqueror still is after getting the validator to work?

> 
> Regards, 
> Tim
> 

BTW, Kongi's author is using a pretty lame excuse not to fix his code. 
And I never claimed to be a Web Master.  So I guess the book chapters will
slide while I fiddle with markups to make sure they're perfect (rather
than getting the text right).

Ciao,

David A. Bandel
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