Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

[Collins]

On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:02:41 -0400 Kurt Wall <kwall at kurtwerks.com>
wrote:> Scribbling feverishly on April 13, Collins managed to emit:
> > [ snips ]
> 
> [mondo snippage]
> 

[ continued snippage ]

> Why don't the developers fix the current problems before propagating
> them to the next release? 
> 
> 
> Maybe they need to rely on more stable toolsets, then. There are
> plenty of huge open source apps that stay basically the same for
> *years* 
> -- XFRee86 comes to mind. the architectural change made the product
> better
> You can't say the
> same thing about KDE (or GNOME, or Enlightenement, or XFCE, or FVWM,
> or...).
> 

In the case of kde (and probably gnome, too, although I haven't
tracked it as closely), the whole project is a massive architectural
experiment or prototype.  Even worse, it is also an attempt to develop
too many independant pieces under one umbrella before determining the
final structure of the umbrella.

I do take exception to including xfce in this set.  xfce has
determined its architecture, sticks to it, and is responsive to fixing
bugs within the same release.  xfce is a mini-desktop and intends to
stay that way - no icons on the desktop, for example.  xfce has gotten
better if not smaller.  Most of the development in recent months is
going into the file manager.  xfce keeps the experimental stuff in the
CVS branch.  There is also an effort to develop a new version based on
a new level of the underlying tools, but that hasn't even been exposed
to the world.  xfce is a prime example of a product that is controlled
by one individual rather than by a gigantic organization.



> We thump the hell out of Microsoft for not getting products right
> until release 3.0. Why should we then exempt KDE from the same
> standard of judgement?
> 

This series of posts is prima facia evidence that we do thump kde over
and over again!

> > The other problem here is sheer size (others call it bloat). Do
> > one thing; do it well; do it right. Or, to put it another way:
> > Good, cheap, fast -- pick any two.
>  

kde is cheap as always, better than it used to be, and faster than it
used to be.  That's about all you can say.  It's still bloatware.


> > I'll drop out of this now.  We're not going to fix everything kde
> > in this discussion.
> 
> No, but it's a fun discussion.
> 

So I lied.  As long as it's a fun discussion.

I don't really intend to stick with kde forever.  I just wanted to get
some first hand experience with the new release.  It's much better
than what I used in the past, but xfce provides everything I need in
the way of a desktop system.


-- 
Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD?
Gentoo_rc6-15(1.1a) 2.4.19pre - kde3 + sylpheed