Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

[Brett I. Holcomb]

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Collins wrote:

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> On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:57:01 -0500 "Brett I. Holcomb"
> <bholcomb at R777cableone.net> wrote:> Collins wrote:
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>> > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:09:05 -0700 "Philip J. Koenig"
>> > <pjklist at ekahuna.com> wrote:> On 12 Apr 2002, at 23:02, Brett I.
>> > Holcomb boldly uttered: >
> 
> Open Souce software is a very different animal than most commercial
> products (not M$, of course, just try getting an M$ bug fixed in any
> release!) especially on linux.  The supporting software (be it gtk for
> gnome or qt for kde or any of the imaging software or the print
> control software or X) is a series of amorphous, uncontrolled blobs
> that don't talk to one another when the specs change, and they do
> change frequently.

But the point is that I did try current software and got told you'll have 
to wait months cause we aren't interested in fixing problems in the release 
so why should I spend hours testing it.  That's no different than MS.  
OpenSource want's to be an alternative to MS yet the issues in the released 
version aren't addressed.  I can't have that in a business and again many 
people don't have the time or expertise to do all that we do to make it 
work.

I fully understand the advantages and problems with Open Source and 
software created by organizations of volunteers but we can't have it both 
ways - "it's done by volunteers so you take what you get" and "We are an 
alternative".  An alternative is more than software - it includes support.  
For home I use Linux exclusively but for work I can't recommend Linux at 
this point much as I'd like to.

> 
> kde3, IMHO, is more like version 1.0 of a commercial software product.
>   kde1 and 2 were more like extended beta versions.   kde have almost
> got the interfaces right now, so I would expect the developers to be
> more responsive in the future
 
> The other problem here is sheer size (others call it bloat).  You get
> much better response from smaller organizations like xfce.  kde has so
> many irons in the fire that just keeping all the irons warm is a
> problem.  I'm sure the same can be said for gnome.

Again, if OS is to be an alternative we need a better system.  I have no 
problem at  home working with it and if I were starting from scratch I 
would probably go Linux with OpenSource.  But when I have a organization 
deeply entrenched with MS points like this will kill Linux - yes they pay 
for MS support and the products and pay a lot but they get support.


>> 
>> Another, more critical problem is/was printing from KDE.  Print from
>> browser or Kmail and the bottom line is cut in half (you get the top
>> half of the letters) and then reprinted on the top of the next page.
>>   
> 
> Well, they appear to have fixed half of the problem.  The bottom line
> is still chopped, but the top of the next page is clean.  <grin>
> 
>> 
>> >> I realize the OSS purists yell four-letter words at the thought,
>> >> but you should also consider Opera.
>> I tried Opera on Windows a long time ago but haven't since I went to
>> Linux - I thought Konq would work <G>.  What makes Opera so
>> appealing?
> 
> For my part, the tabbed windows interface, the same thing I liked in
> Mozilla and Galeon.  Also the overall format of the Opera main window
> is very usable.  Also, it was a lot peppier than the earlier Mozilla
> cuts and the konqueror prior to kde3, especially on a 300MZ machine.
> 
> I'll drop out of this now.  We're not going to fix everything kde in
> this discussion.
> 

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