Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

[Collins]

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On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:57:01 -0500 "Brett I. Holcomb"
<bholcomb at R777cableone.net> wrote:> Collins wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:09:05 -0700 "Philip J. Koenig"
> > <pjklist at ekahuna.com> wrote:> On 12 Apr 2002, at 23:02, Brett I.
> > Holcomb boldly uttered: >
> >> > Well, Konq is one reason I left KDE.  
> > 
> > Jumping in recklessly, he says: Konq is much improved in kde3. 
> > Will it do everything for you?  If it breaks, do you file a bug
> > report?
> 
> Who knows.  At this point I really can't see myself spending the
> time to go to KDE 3 so if it's fixed fine, if not fine.
> essentially telling people that the release software is not
> supported just won't fly. 

I think I rest my case.  From my standpoint, if I don't have time to
try the current product, why should I expect the developers to spend
time with my problem?

Open Souce software is a very different animal than most commercial
products (not M$, of course, just try getting an M$ bug fixed in any
release!) especially on linux.  The supporting software (be it gtk for
gnome or qt for kde or any of the imaging software or the print
control software or X) is a series of amorphous, uncontrolled blobs
that don't talk to one another when the specs change, and they do
change frequently.

kde3, IMHO, is more like version 1.0 of a commercial software product.
  kde1 and 2 were more like extended beta versions.   kde have almost
got the interfaces right now, so I would expect the developers to be
more responsive in the future

The other problem here is sheer size (others call it bloat).  You get
much better response from smaller organizations like xfce.  kde has so
many irons in the fire that just keeping all the irons warm is a
problem.  I'm sure the same can be said for gnome.

> 
> Another, more critical problem is/was printing from KDE.  Print from
> browser or Kmail and the bottom line is cut in half (you get the top
> half of the letters) and then reprinted on the top of the next page.
>   

Well, they appear to have fixed half of the problem.  The bottom line
is still chopped, but the top of the next page is clean.  <grin>

> 
> >> I realize the OSS purists yell four-letter words at the thought,
> >> but you should also consider Opera.  
> I tried Opera on Windows a long time ago but haven't since I went to
> Linux - I thought Konq would work <G>.  What makes Opera so
> appealing?

For my part, the tabbed windows interface, the same thing I liked in
Mozilla and Galeon.  Also the overall format of the Opera main window
is very usable.  Also, it was a lot peppier than the earlier Mozilla
cuts and the konqueror prior to kde3, especially on a 300MZ machine.

I'll drop out of this now.  We're not going to fix everything kde in
this discussion.

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Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD?
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