One of the things I don't like is kdm. It seems there used to be a way, but the current kdm has no way to exit X to a normal console which I need from time to time to do maintenance as root (a few things don't work in su mode) without X or to clone the system for backup. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area - WWTLRD? Gentoo_rc6-15 2.4.19pre - xfce + sylpheed + mozilla