<div dir="ltr">Good one David, it would seem fairlights specialty is belittling people unless it somebody he needs something from. <div><br></div><div> Overlook it as the rest of us do.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 12:18 PM David Duff via Filepro-list <<a href="mailto:filepro-list@lists.celestial.com">filepro-list@lists.celestial.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Mark,<br>
<br>
I value your opinion, and your skills but it doesn't change the fact that <br>
SuSe & Filepro have worked very well for me over the years.<br>
<br>
I'm nowhere as learned as you are (but I do IQ at 143, so I'm not stupid) BUT I do<br>
know how to express an opinion WITHOUT insulting the other person, something you<br>
really, really need to learn.<br>
<br>
There are nicer ways to get your message across to us lesser talents and then, we<br>
might actually listen to you.<br>
<br>
By the way, it's also good for business. Nobody wants to do business with person<br>
who thinks that they are better we are, no matter how good that person may be.<br>
<br>
No insult intended, just a pointer in the right direction.<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Fairlight via Filepro-list" <<a href="mailto:filepro-list@lists.celestial.com" target="_blank">filepro-list@lists.celestial.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:filepro-list@lists.celestial.com" target="_blank">filepro-list@lists.celestial.com</a><br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2021 11:35:43 AM<br>
Subject: Re: SUSE<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 01:49:06PM +0000, David Duff thus spoke:<br>
> Perhaps that 747 might be able to zoom through but, in almost <br>
> 40 years, I've never had a problem.<br>
<br>
Yeah. It won't be a problem until it is. Then it will be a BIG<br>
problem.<br>
<br>
> My computer background started at Tandy in 1982 and the only thing <br>
> I really sold back then was the Model 16/6000, running Xenix. In fact, <br>
> I knew UNIX (and TrsDos) before I knew DOS.<br>
<br>
And you're still obviously exercising 1982's best practises, if that.<br>
<br>
> I'm more of a "Jack of All Trades" than a super tech like you Mark,<br>
> but Filepro on SuSe have been very easy to maintain and support.<br>
<br>
It's easy to maintain and support it when you're doing no bloody<br>
maintenance. No OS upgrades == no meaningful maintenance.<br>
<br>
> I've never been a purist or a "Sizzle" seller, I just like things that work,<br>
> and, for me, that's been SuSe & Filepro.<br>
<br>
And it'll keep working for you, until someone makes it not work. When<br>
they do, it will be a spectacular failure. Have fun with that.<br>
<br>
> Mark, I do value your opinion, and while it may be dumb, I still stand by what<br>
> I think about SuSe & Filepro.<br>
<br>
You're welcome to your opinions. However, you're exemplary of a huge<br>
majority subset of filePro programmers who -do not know systems-. Your<br>
reliance upon YaST is testament to the fact you don't. YaST is meant to<br>
help people who don't know any better. It doesn't scale at all. Try<br>
maintaining 100+ (or 1000+) machines using YaST. Tell me when you're<br>
done making a simple change. You learn the underlying subsystems, and<br>
you automate.<br>
<br>
filePro programmers not knowing the underlying systems upon which they<br>
run their software is the reason we end up with forests of 0777/0666<br>
permissions. They don't know any better. They're also dangerous to<br>
their organisations, and their own careers.<br>
<br>
It's hard to value someone's opinion when you know they're wrong.<br>
That's not personal; that's objectively following the data. I know it's<br>
out of vogue, and all, but it's the proper way to view things.<br>
<br>
By all means, fly your opinions straight into the ground, as is your right.<br>
I'm 'just' the guy people call in to fix the mess which results when people<br>
who practise methodologies like yours get cracked; what would I know? :)<br>
<br>
m-><br>
-- <br>
Audio panton, cogito singularis.<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Filepro-list mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Filepro-list@lists.celestial.com" target="_blank">Filepro-list@lists.celestial.com</a><br>
Subscribe/Unsubscribe/Subscription Changes<br>
<a href="http://mailman.celestial.com/mailman/listinfo/filepro-list" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://mailman.celestial.com/mailman/listinfo/filepro-list</a><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Filepro-list mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Filepro-list@lists.celestial.com" target="_blank">Filepro-list@lists.celestial.com</a><br>
Subscribe/Unsubscribe/Subscription Changes<br>
<a href="http://mailman.celestial.com/mailman/listinfo/filepro-list" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://mailman.celestial.com/mailman/listinfo/filepro-list</a><br>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Wayne Smith<div>Port Orange, Florida</div></div></div>