<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">THIS (what Bob said).<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">Forget PCL5 for a second. Some
printers support both PCL6, and also support emailing a PDF to the
printer. That doesn't mean the PCL6 spec includes PDF. It's two
completely different things that the printer just happens to include
support for both. PCL5 is the same way, and PS (PostScript).<br><div class="gmail_default" style=""><br></div>Some printers include multiple engines (language interpreter software)
in the printer firmware, and sometimes the manufacturer provides
multiple versions of a driver for the printer, which generate different
types of data that the printer can take. So if a printer has pcl5, pcl6,
and ps engines, they may provide matching 3 different drivers, one that
generates pcl5, one that generates pcl6, and one that generates ps
(postscript). <br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">The "pcl6" in a printer driver name, means that the driver software *generates* pcl6 to send to the printer. When Windows takes bitmap data from a modern app like Office365, that particular version of the driver will generate pcl6 data to squirt at the printer. If you installed some other driver, it will take the same graphics data from the app, but generate pcl5 instead, or postscript, or any number of other things, and send that to the printer.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">PCL6 was just a stupid name for the data format, because it IS true that PCL3 is a subset of PCL5, and any PCL5 interpreter also supports PCL3. So this confusion is absolutely understandable and reasonable.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">The specs for this printer on the HP site DO include PCL5, but... like I said before.. these days you can't really be sure that means the support resides in the printer itself vs in a windows driver. So you have to test it by simply creating a small pcl file manually (like with notepad++ or a hex editor or any editor that will let you write exact bytes of your choosing. Notepad isn't good enough and Word is out of the question) and send that to the printer in a low level way that eliminates a lot of other mystery components that might screw with the data or fail to send it anywhere at all, like using the COPY command.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">-- <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">bkw<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:21 PM Bob Rasmussen via Filepro-list <<a href="mailto:filepro-list@lists.celestial.com">filepro-list@lists.celestial.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">A printer can support both PCL-5 and PCL-6 (and PostScript, and PDF, and <br>
Epson ESC/P2, etc.) all at once. That doesn't mean PCL-6 mode has to be <br>
backward compatible to PCL-5.<br>
<br>
And there might not be a PCL-5 printer driver available, but the printer <br>
might still support PCL-5.<br>
<br>
The driver is the SENDER, the printer is the RECEIVER. Except when the <br>
data is coming from filePro, FILEPRO is the sender, the driver is (almost) <br>
irrelevant.<br>
<br>
On Mon, 23 Jul 2018, Henry Melancon via Filepro-list wrote:<br>
<br>
> I am curious as why an HP8000, HP5500 and a couple of Ricoh copier/printer/scanners in my office have "PCL6" in their Windows printer descriptions, but can print for FilePro? They have to be backward compliable....<br>
><br>
> This certainly adds to the confusion????<br>
><br>
> Henry W. Melancon<br>
> Documentation Supervisor<br>
> Quality Control<br>
> Gulf Island Fabrication<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Filepro-list [mailto:<a href="mailto:filepro-list-bounces%2Bhemelancon" target="_blank">filepro-list-bounces+hemelancon</a>=<a href="mailto:gifinc.com@lists.celestial.com" target="_blank">gifinc.com@lists.celestial.com</a>] On Behalf Of Bob Rasmussen via Filepro-list<br>
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:36 PM<br>
> To: rdfreedman BellSouth <<a href="mailto:rdfreedman@bellsouth.net" target="_blank">rdfreedman@bellsouth.net</a>><br>
> Cc: Filepro List <<a href="mailto:filepro-list@celestial.com" target="_blank">filepro-list@celestial.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: Printer problem solution (kind of)<br>
><br>
> The descriptions of PCL5 and PCL6 included below contain many errors and<br>
> mischaracterizations. But the key fact is accurate: PCL-6 is a completely<br>
> different animal from PCL-5.<br>
><br>
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018, rdfreedman BellSouth via Filepro-list wrote:<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> PCL6 or PCL6-XL is not backward compatible with PCL5... Totally different<br>
>> languages… found on the web...<br>
>><br>
>> Language<br>
>> While HP considers both PCL5 and PCL6 to be printer command language drivers,<br>
>> each software uses different languages to deliver data to the printers. PCL5<br>
>> and previous versions of the HP drivers use ASCII code to send the data and<br>
>> commands from the computer application to the printer. PCL6 compiles the pages<br>
>> from the computer application into a binary format before sending the package<br>
>> to the printer. The new binary language is more compact and offers additional<br>
>> features.<br>
>> Functions<br>
>> Up to PCL5, printer drivers have limited functionality. These drivers give<br>
>> commands such as for a new page or new paragraph and identify the fonts for the<br>
>> document. The resolution is usually fixed and limited to 300 dpi. Under PCL6,<br>
>> the driver can also address the requirements of images and graphics. It<br>
>> translates vector diagrams as well as bit maps, and can handle higher<br>
>> resolutions. Since they process complex graphics commands directly, the PCL6<br>
>> drivers operate more quickly and generate less traffic.<br>
>> Operation<br>
>> The PCL drivers up to PCL5 use special characters to initiate commands, and<br>
>> send the text of the document to be printed as normal text. Printers respond to<br>
>> the special characters, usually prefaced by the character represented as "Esc"<br>
>> on a keyboard, by carrying out simple actions such as starting a new line. PCL6<br>
>> is oriented toward printing color graphics as well as text. Such printing<br>
>> requires more complex commands, and plain text becomes less important. PCL6<br>
>> takes commands from the operating system graphical user interface and<br>
>> translates them into commands for the printer. As a result, the printout more<br>
>> closely matches what the application shows on the computer screen.<br>
>> Compatibility<br>
>> HP includes all the commands from previous versions of PCL in the new PCL<br>
>> version. PCL5 is completely backward-compatible. PCL6 has a modular structure<br>
>> and, as such,<br>
>> doesn't include the older commands the same way. Instead, HP added a module called PCL6 Standard to ensure backward compatibility. Because of the new structure, this compatibility is not seamless, and HP recommends addressing compatibility problems with PCL6 by replacing the driver with the latest PCL5 version.<br>
>> HP Support sites:<br>
>> <a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.hp.com%2Fus-en%2Fproduct%2FHP-Universal-Print-Driver-Series-for-Windows%2F503548%2Fmodel%2F503519&data=02%7C01%7Chemelancon%40gifinc.com%7Ca4b7f6034b814a4aeec708d5f0dbf28b%7Ca3e66affd7674dabad3755c96bce6af7%7C0%7C0%7C636679749823964004&sdata=iNqlC3cFmkMx1TmdiSKQ00GIFO61lIhG8xZa8A0gMJI%3D&reserved=0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.hp.com%2Fus-en%2Fproduct%2FHP-Universal-Print-Driver-Series-for-Windows%2F503548%2Fmodel%2F503519&data=02%7C01%7Chemelancon%40gifinc.com%7Ca4b7f6034b814a4aeec708d5f0dbf28b%7Ca3e66affd7674dabad3755c96bce6af7%7C0%7C0%7C636679749823964004&sdata=iNqlC3cFmkMx1TmdiSKQ00GIFO61lIhG8xZa8A0gMJI%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>> <a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww8.hp.com%2Fus%2Fen%2Fsolutions%2Fbusiness-solutions%2Fprintingsolutions%2FUPD.html%3Fjumpid%3Daf_s73wr2vct6&data=02%7C01%7Chemelancon%40gifinc.com%7Ca4b7f6034b814a4aeec708d5f0dbf28b%7Ca3e66affd7674dabad3755c96bce6af7%7C0%7C0%7C636679749823964004&sdata=hb5MPnnCoO9dF%2Fs7LR7OfNEqJc0Sp341C1SZaTHLEMc%3D&reserved=0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww8.hp.com%2Fus%2Fen%2Fsolutions%2Fbusiness-solutions%2Fprintingsolutions%2FUPD.html%3Fjumpid%3Daf_s73wr2vct6&data=02%7C01%7Chemelancon%40gifinc.com%7Ca4b7f6034b814a4aeec708d5f0dbf28b%7Ca3e66affd7674dabad3755c96bce6af7%7C0%7C0%7C636679749823964004&sdata=hb5MPnnCoO9dF%2Fs7LR7OfNEqJc0Sp341C1SZaTHLEMc%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>><br>
>> HP's<br>
>> site notes their Universal Print Driver (UPD)… Their<br>
>> "UPD 6.1.0 is the last release of UPD to include PCL5."<br>
>> <a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww8.hp.com%2Fus%2Fen%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-&data=02%7C01%7Chemelancon%40gifinc.com%7Ca4b7f6034b814a4aeec708d5f0dbf28b%7Ca3e66affd7674dabad3755c96bce6af7%7C0%7C0%7C636679749823964004&sdata=Q4BuTXvHrPI%2FtqIycJ4%2FW%2BZ9tD2%2BBpI092CGc%2B805tA%3D&reserved=0" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww8.hp.com%2Fus%2Fen%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-&data=02%7C01%7Chemelancon%40gifinc.com%7Ca4b7f6034b814a4aeec708d5f0dbf28b%7Ca3e66affd7674dabad3755c96bce6af7%7C0%7C0%7C636679749823964004&sdata=Q4BuTXvHrPI%2FtqIycJ4%2FW%2BZ9tD2%2BBpI092CGc%2B805tA%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>> results.html?ajaxpage=1#/page=1&/qt=UPD%206.1.0<br>
>><br>
>> A while back, I used an HP UPD in Windows 10). Seems I had to set it up in<br>
>> windows on an LPTx port, shared it, pointed filePro to the shared LPT port and<br>
>> it worked. If the computer has a hardware LPTx port, it has to be disabled in<br>
>> the bios before you do the above, otherwise it will 'loop' forever to itself.<br>
>><br>
>> I fail to understand why HP would use PCL6 as most would think of it as an<br>
>> update to their PCL5 language, which it is not.<br>
>><br>
>> Reggie<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> From: Henry Melancon via Filepro-list <<a href="mailto:filepro-list@lists.celestial.com" target="_blank">filepro-list@lists.celestial.com</a>><br>
>> Reply-To: Henry Melancon <<a href="mailto:hemelancon@gifinc.com" target="_blank">hemelancon@gifinc.com</a>><br>
>> To: Filepro List <<a href="mailto:filepro-list@celestial.com" target="_blank">filepro-list@celestial.com</a>><br>
>> Sent: 7/23/2018 2:41:09 PM<br>
>> Subject: RE: Printer problem solution (kind of)<br>
>> ________________________________________________________________________________<br>
>><br>
>> Fortunately for me, the large Ricoh copier/printer/scanners are still PCL5<br>
>> compatible and our FilePro prints to them with no problems.<br>
>><br>
>> Henry W. Melancon<br>
>> Documentation Supervisor<br>
>> Quality Control<br>
>> Gulf Island Fabrication<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: Filepro-list [mailto:<a href="mailto:filepro-list-" target="_blank">filepro-list-</a><br>
>> bounces+hemelancon=<a href="mailto:gifinc.com@lists.celestial.com" target="_blank">gifinc.com@lists.celestial.com</a>] On Behalf Of Richard Hane<br>
>> via Filepro-list<br>
>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:23 PM<br>
>> To: Filepro List <<a href="mailto:filepro-list@celestial.com" target="_blank">filepro-list@celestial.com</a>><br>
>> Subject: Printer problem solution (kind of)<br>
>><br>
>> We have 9 HP printers used on our network. Only 4 of them need filePro to<br>
>> print to them. He switched the (2) HP402DN printers for HP1606DN printers<br>
>> which have always worked with fp. Problem solved until we have to replace<br>
>> other old HP1606DN printers.<br>
>> I would like to hear from the list which HP printers you use and like. I<br>
>> prefer HP printers as they have always been good to me.<br>
>> BTW I heard from a couple of users that they had the same problem with this<br>
>> model HP402DN and replaced them.<br>
>> Thanks for all that responded. Now maybe I can go back to being retired and<br>
>> work of my model trains.Rick Hane<br>
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