<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Seth</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:seth@dreamscape.com">seth@dreamscape.com</a>></span><br>Date: Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 7:44 AM<br>Subject: Re: Sale Strategy<br>To: Richard Kreiss <<a href="mailto:rkreiss@verizon.net">rkreiss@verizon.net</a>><br><br><br><div dir="ltr">I have a law firm that has run it's GL and Accounting on FP for over 30 years.<div><br></div><div>We run 3 servers, one SCOV for Wordperfect, one for FP, and one for simple file server/app server use. All Win 10 pro front end users, work with all current versions of WORD, WP, and other software.</div><div><br></div><div>We find the same to be true in wordprocessing. I can generate docs so much faster with a character based interface than WORD/wysiwyg. That being said, as my older staff dies out, the younger generation have a tough time wrapping their head around it, and we have to deal with docs that are produced by other firms etc. It's also a PITA to then have to retrieve the older format 5.2 docs into WORD or current WP to exprt for current versions or PDFs. When I show my staff our character FP apps, they do all but reject it out of hand.</div><div><br></div><div>Bottom line is that, realistically speaking, Filepro needs to integrate a contemporary interface both from a programming side as well as a user side, and include report generation in pdf, Word and WP interfacing, etc. Otherwise FP is just a dinosaur waiting to die, if not already dead. Hands down the features are better, costs are lower, yada yada, but the canned software packages SAAS, have taken over. I am too cheap, and too busy, to switch yet, but we will. It's just a matter of time.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>Seth</div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 11:26 PM, Richard Kreiss via Filepro-list <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:filepro-list@lists.celestial.com" target="_blank">filepro-list@lists.celestial.<wbr>com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">One other consideration, Time. Not only the time to find a software but to<br>
test it alongside your current application to insure that it is working<br>
properly.<br>
<br>
If they are looking for a GUI, consider the filePro screen scraper. It<br>
works and also adds an additional layer of security. Or you could go with<br>
OneGate and write a GUI/Web-based front end as a number of developers have.<br>
<br>
When one of my clients wanted the filePro GUI for his staff to use, They<br>
soundly rejected it. The billing clerk said, "You really want me to take my<br>
hands off the key board and use a mouse. That will slow me down and I won't<br>
be able to complete the billing on time".<br>
<br>
Also, keep in mind that a lot of functionality that filePro has does not<br>
exist in other databases. And they can't get there. That is not to say<br>
that there are a lot of functions that other languages have that filePro<br>
doesn't. You client need to make sure that whatever they pick is capable of<br>
duplicating the functionality of your application.<br>
<br>
Again, they are going to spend a lot of money up front just to what they<br>
thing is more functionality. Other than the GUI, which you can deliver, far<br>
cheaper then writing a new application, what functionality are they looking<br>
for? Until specifications for the new application have been developed, you<br>
don't really know if filePro can meet these requirements.<br>
<br>
Try to pin you client down as to what they are looking for. Not<br>
generalizations but real specifics. At that point you will really know what<br>
you are facing.<br>
<br>
One of my biggest clients had 2 partners who were for developing an SQL<br>
database application for their business until I was asked if I could add a<br>
feature during an early development conversation. I said I could. They<br>
walked out of the room for under 10 minutes and I was able to add the<br>
functionality they wanted. That surprised the 2 SQL partners and were very<br>
impressed.<br>
<br>
Also, I was able to write routines to import data from their client's<br>
databases. In Fact I was able to import data from a file that their outside<br>
tools could not handle.<br>
<br>
The Senior partner was able to demo the application I had written on his<br>
smart phone. This impressed prospective new clients. (I really don't<br>
recommend doing this but one can if the smartphone uses a pointer.)<br>
<br>
Also, point out that it takes more hardware to handle a GUI application.<br>
<br>
<br>
Richard Kreiss<br>
GCC Consulting<br>
<br>
PS: Take a look at the new functionality available with the latest version<br>
of filePro.<br>
<br>
<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Filepro-list [mailto:<a href="mailto:filepro-list-" target="_blank">filepro-list-</a><br>
> bounces+rkreiss=<a href="mailto:verizon.net@lists.celestial.com" target="_blank">verizon.net@li<wbr>sts.celestial.com</a>] On Behalf Of Mike<br>
Schwartz<br>
> via Filepro-list<br>
> Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2018 8:56 AM<br>
> To: 'Filepro List' <<a href="mailto:filepro-list@celestial.com" target="_blank">filepro-list@celestial.com</a>><br>
> Cc: Mike Schwartz <<a href="mailto:filepromike@gmail.com" target="_blank">filepromike@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Subject: RE: Sale Strategy<br>
><br>
> > How do you guys manage to sale filePro today?<br>
> ><br>
> > $349 per seat is a price tag and then some ... I am one that believes<br>
> > that<br>
> ><br>
> > So, how about some tips on "filePro sale pitch" to win those ever<br>
> > present battles!!!<br>
> > --<br>
> > Jose D. Lerebours<br>
><br>
> It is odd that a customer pays a few thousand dollars for a system,<br>
runs it for<br>
> 15 years as the "heart and life-blood" of their business, then complains<br>
about<br>
> paying another couple of thousand dollars that will probably carry the<br>
system<br>
> forward another 15 years. I bet they don't get 15 years of dependable<br>
life out of<br>
> their delivery trucks or their office furniture...<br>
><br>
> Since they are happy with their old SCO operating system, why switch<br>
that to<br>
> Linux? I'm sure you can find hardware that will still run the SCO<br>
operating<br>
> system. Bill Campbell and others here on the list can probably assist you<br>
in<br>
> virtualizing their old SCO server, if they simply want to virtualize.<br>
><br>
> Business decisions are ultimately ALL about payback. So, when trying<br>
to sell a<br>
> customer on upgrades, normally I emphasize the "quick payback"<br>
> that they will get with the new reports or new filePro features. However,<br>
since<br>
> this is a "lateral" move to Linux and if they are not interested in having<br>
you do<br>
> more programming to make use of the new filePro features, they<br>
> won't get a quick payback on their investment.<br>
><br>
> So, the only payback they will get is that the "heart and<br>
life-blood"<br>
> of their business will have been overhauled; similar to buying all brand<br>
new<br>
> delivery trucks.<br>
><br>
> It is probably worth mentioning the new filepro features to them.<br>
For<br>
> example, maybe they will want you to add filePro's direct PDF printing to<br>
their<br>
> system.<br>
><br>
> Remind them that there is a heavy cost to switch software. Just the<br>
function<br>
> of SEARCHING for a new software package will probably consume a LOT of<br>
> man-hours. They have to look at things like training and buying a LOT<br>
faster<br>
> server and hardware system than their old filePro system requires.<br>
Windows<br>
> apps have their uses, but Windows systems are not always the best option<br>
for<br>
> database systems, even if their users do not type 100 WPM.<br>
><br>
> For example, a few years ago I had a large insurance brokerage who<br>
spent<br>
> more than $350,000.00 to "upgrade" to a "canned" MS-Windows insurance<br>
> database system. After almost 3 years of testing and adding more and more<br>
> Windows servers, they tried to go "live" on the new system.<br>
Unfortunately, they<br>
> never could get things to balance on the new system and found it took a<br>
LOT<br>
> longer (like 10 times as long) to enter insurance policy info into their<br>
new system<br>
> as compared to filepro. Also, they just could not get the same "sort and<br>
select"<br>
> reporting flexibility that their old filePro system had.<br>
><br>
> Finally all of their managers confronted the bosses and told them<br>
they were<br>
> going to QUIT unless they went BACK to their old filePro system. So I had<br>
to<br>
> scramble for a couple of weeks to get them a couple of new servers and<br>
> upgraded filePro system so that they could cut back over to their old<br>
filePro<br>
> system!<br>
><br>
> One of my favorite sales phrases is: "Every time a user has to take<br>
their hands<br>
> off of their keyboard and move to their mouse, then scroll around a page<br>
and<br>
> position the mouse to the next data field, they have lost<br>
> a LOT of time."<br>
><br>
> So, in this case, I advise:<br>
><br>
> 1) Do NOT move off of SCO (Xinous) Openserver. There's probably no valid<br>
> reason to spend the money to do that.<br>
><br>
> 2) Think long and hard about considering moving to any new software<br>
package.<br>
> It will probably end up costing a LOT more than you thought it would.<br>
><br>
> 3) Non-GUI database applications are NOT dead. They are typically more<br>
cost<br>
> effective than GUI Windows based apps are.<br>
><br>
> Hope that helps...<br>
><br>
> Mike Schwartz<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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